To Protect and to Serve II

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hog88 said:
The policing problem starts and ends with the politicians.
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Well, its a combination of politicians passing bad laws for them to enforce, the cop profession attracting a certain demographic of people (aggressive authoritarians), and neither side having general respect or common courtesy and decency to regular people (they are above us).
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Just because they have insurance? What's stopping people now for filing frivolous law suits? When a cop does stupid things, whether intentional or not, over and over, he should have some financial ramifications as well.

I'm as pro cop as you'll find. I've got several friends that are cops. But when you see incidents like the one in the video above, where after all that went down, he still doesn't get that he can't force someone to provide ID, maybe just maybe he should have something else to reinforce the correct law. Maybe if he felt a little pain in his wallet he would think a little before doing stupid ****. Same with the AR state trooper that felt like he needed to pit that pregnant woman.
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Because they can't with qualified immunity because the agencies take that responsibility and lawyers can only fire ACTUAL lawsuits with some shred of argument legally....Trust me it would be a different world if that went away, and not because i am for covering for "bad cops", but because I understand the logistics behind the civil/criminal court systems
 
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hog88 said:
I'm learning more and more about the internal workings of a police force and IMO it's as screwed up as a football bat. You have the mayor/city council riding herd over the chief who's not a bad guy about things so stupid as a councilman's neighbors loud music on the weekends. Salary for the officers sucks so they're hiring early 20somethings who will accept the pay and then a guy that's only been on the force 3 or 4 years is training them after they get out of the academy. Most of the young ones are juicing getting tatted up and act like frat boys, chief knows this but as he says I can't fire them and if they discipline them they just quit and run to Nashville PD for a job.

The policing problem starts and ends with the politicians.
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I think higher pay helps get better people for sure. I look.at it like the parent that constantly bails out his teenage son. Teenage son wrecks his Mercedes, gets tons of tickets, insurance premiums skyrocket but they keep paying. Teenage son has no stake in better behavior. If they make him have some stake in the game maybe his behavior changes?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because they can't with qualified immunity because the agencies take that responsibility and lawyers can only fire ACTUAL lawsuits with some shred of argument legally....Trust me it would be a different world if that went away, and not because i am for covering for "bad cops", but because I understand the logistics behind the civil/criminal court systems
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There are ways to.protect cops from frivolous lawsuits and still hold them accountable.
 
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VolStrom said:
When I was working, I was held accountable by coming to work and getting a paycheck versus getting fired and it worked wonders keeping me in check most of the time.
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That seems to be part of the problem,. They can be poor at their jobs and keep them or get fired and move to another agency. Like I said earlier, I'm huge pro cop. have many friends that are cops. I just don't think they have much skin in the game when it comes to making mistakes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its the cops vs the people
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No, it’s not Raz…it’s “some cops”, just like it’s some politicians, some judges, some car salesmen, some doctors, etc. Always gonna be that small percentage that give all a bad name. Well, except for politicians.

Root them out and get rid of them. Meanwhile, you are going exactly where the MSM wants you to go.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
No, it’s not Raz…it’s “some cops”, just like it’s some politicians, some judges, some car salesmen, some doctors, etc. Always gonna be that small percentage that give all a bad name. Well, except for politicians.

Root them out and get rid of them. Meanwhile, you are going exactly where the MSM wants you to go.
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How do you weed and rid when questionable/unlawful acts by LEOs, such as the situation you just responded to, are excused and dismissed? Would the general public be aware of these injustices if not for media?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
How do you weed and rid when questionable/unlawful acts by LEOs, such as the situation you just responded to, are excused and dismissed? Would the general public be aware of these injustices if not for media?
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I agree with your first question, and the answer to your second question is “no”. But what you do not see, and what the media largely does not publish, are the thousands of acts of compassion and humanity that thousands of police officers display every day. While we get the occasional feel-good story, for the most part the media focuses on the bad. Perhaps that is their role, to shine a light on dark places. Unfortunately, the end result is to demonize a profession that for the most part is honorable and honest. For the record, and I believe I already stated this, in this particular incident this particular officer should be held accountable for his actions, which in my opinion are unacceptable.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I agree with your first question, and the answer to your second question is “no”. But what you do not see, and what the media largely does not publish, are the thousands of acts of compassion and humanity that thousands of police officers display every day. While we get the occasional feel-good story, for the most part the media focuses on the bad. Perhaps that is their role, to shine a light on dark places. Unfortunately, the end result is to demonize a profession that for the most part is honorable and honest. For the record, and I believe I already stated this, in this particular incident this particular officer should be held accountable for his actions, which in my opinion are unacceptable.
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In this particular situation in Arkansas, the outrage is over two items. First, the lack of proportionality with regards to how to handle a minor offense. These cops have no problem jeopardizing or ruining lives over some reefer, a tinted windows, not wearing a mask, or some other petty infraction. That dumb azz cop could have killed someone not just in the vehicle, but jeopardized the lives of people in other lanes of traffic or himself even... over speeding on a highway with light traffic and no weather restrictions/limitations. Cars can safely travel at 80 mph on these highways in the right conditions. This clown made the roads more dangerous.

And then secondly, the fact that he doesn't get charged. "The cops investigated the situation and we found that the cop did nothing wrong." Or, "The DA investigated the cop and the DA found that the cop did nothing wrong." Whatever... cops and the judicial system protect one another but terrorize the civilians. They are above common folks.

The cops vs the people
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I agree with your first question, and the answer to your second question is “no”. But what you do not see, and what the media largely does not publish, are the thousands of acts of compassion and humanity that thousands of police officers display every day. While we get the occasional feel-good story, for the most part the media focuses on the bad. Perhaps that is their role, to shine a light on dark places. Unfortunately, the end result is to demonize a profession that for the most part is honorable and honest. For the record, and I believe I already stated this, in this particular incident this particular officer should be held accountable for his actions, which in my opinion are unacceptable.
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I don't understand what you mean when you say you agree or disagree with either of my questions. I also don't understand what good cops being good cops has anything to do with either of my questions.
 
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I've said before that I'm cop fam. I'm one of only two men on my dad's side who has not been employed by a police or sheriff's department at some point (grandpa was a beat cop in Chattanooga, as were all three of his sons; dad left the force in his mid twenties and is now working for them again).

I was having a very frank conversation with one of my first cousins about the need to weed out bad cops. We're both in agreement that it has to happen, but there needs to be some way to do it more efficiently without placing good cops at risk.

My cousin was open with the fact that questioning cops' behavior from the inside has led and will lead to "accidents" while on duty. Reporting a cop up the chain, he believes, will likely lead to a friendly fire incident. Especially with officers who espouse supremacist or racist views and act display more violent behavior towards citizens of color.

I take him at his word. These problems could be fixed on the front end by better profiling and evaluation of potential cadets. Get rid of the mess before it gets in the door.

But what do we do with the ones already there, when the ranks close to protect their own even when they don't like their own?
 
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AshG said:
I've said before that I'm cop fam. I'm one of only two men on my dad's side who has not been employed by a police or sheriff's department at some point (grandpa was a beat cop in Chattanooga, as were all three of his sons; dad left the force in his mid twenties and is now working for them again).

I was having a very frank conversation with one of my first cousins about the need to weed out bad cops. We're both in agreement that it has to happen, but there needs to be some way to do it more efficiently without placing good cops at risk.

My cousin was open with the fact that questioning cops' behavior from the inside has led and will lead to "accidents" while on duty. Reporting a cop up the chain, he believes, will likely lead to a friendly fire incident. Especially with officers who espouse supremacist or racist views and act display more violent behavior towards citizens of color.

I take him at his word. These problems could be fixed on the front end by better profiling and evaluation of potential cadets. Get rid of the mess before it gets in the door.

But what do we do with the ones already there, when the ranks close to protect their own even when they don't like their own?
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Yes, there are elements of racism in police departments, just like there would be in many other professions. But my focus hasn't even been on that because I think that is a smaller issue than what it is being made out to be.

We simply have far too many people that are attracted to the profession that want to do the cowboy/shootem'ups, high speed chases and arrest as many folk as possible over any infraction because that is what they see on TV. In general, far too many of these people don't understand or appreciate the rights of the people, they don't care about the major consequences that occur when they come into a situation like a bull into a china shop throwing their weight around bullying folks and they don't feel that the law applies to them. They look at civilians as people they can kick around and fleece. And what these brainwashed copsucker conservatives fail to realize is that these very same cops they worship will be the very same ones knocking on your door to take away your guns when that time comes or at the very minimum, will escort them out of their homes on a bogus domestic violence charge if they are a man.
 
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