To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
That piece of trash should be fired ASAP.
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I agree, there was no reason to do it at all.

She clearly was trying to slow down and indicate with the flashers her possible intent, BUT even if the officer "assumed" she was evading, you don't pit someone like that for a damn traffic charge. Trooper being trooper on this one
 
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I think police officers should have to carry insurance similar to doctor's malpractice insurance. They should have to share in the financial burden of their actions from law suits. Enough incidents, enough claims, enough lawsuits = no insurance, no job.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think police officers should have to carry insurance similar to doctor's malpractice insurance. They should have to share in the financial burden of their actions from law suits. Enough incidents, enough claims, enough lawsuits = no insurance, no job.
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and no police at all...you don't understand the importance of having protection from the onslaught of frivolous lawsuits that would be brought by lawyers trying to make money when officers didn't do anything wrong. You literally would have officers being sued for 5-10 incidents a day
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
and no police at all...you don't understand the importance of having protection from the onslaught of frivolous lawsuits that would be brought by lawyers trying to make money when officers didn't do anything wrong. You literally would have officers being sued for 5-10 incidents a day
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Just because they have insurance? What's stopping people now for filing frivolous law suits? When a cop does stupid things, whether intentional or not, over and over, he should have some financial ramifications as well.

I'm as pro cop as you'll find. I've got several friends that are cops. But when you see incidents like the one in the video above, where after all that went down, he still doesn't get that he can't force someone to provide ID, maybe just maybe he should have something else to reinforce the correct law. Maybe if he felt a little pain in his wallet he would think a little before doing stupid ****. Same with the AR state trooper that felt like he needed to pit that pregnant woman.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think police officers should have to carry insurance similar to doctor's malpractice insurance. They should have to share in the financial burden of their actions from law suits. Enough incidents, enough claims, enough lawsuits = no insurance, no job.
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Going to have to raise their pay significantly.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Just because they have insurance? What's stopping people now for filing frivolous law suits? When a cop does stupid things, whether intentional or not, over and over, he should have some financial ramifications as well.

I'm as pro cop as you'll find. I've got several friends that are cops. But when you see incidents like the one in the video above, where after all that went down, he still doesn't get that he can't force someone to provide ID, maybe just maybe he should have something else to reinforce the correct law. Maybe if he felt a little pain in his wallet he would think a little before doing stupid ****. Same with the AR state trooper that felt like he needed to pit that pregnant woman.
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I'm learning more and more about the internal workings of a police force and IMO it's as screwed up as a football bat. You have the mayor/city council riding herd over the chief who's not a bad guy about things so stupid as a councilman's neighbors loud music on the weekends. Salary for the officers sucks so they're hiring early 20somethings who will accept the pay and then a guy that's only been on the force 3 or 4 years is training them after they get out of the academy. Most of the young ones are juicing getting tatted up and act like frat boys, chief knows this but as he says I can't fire them and if they discipline them they just quit and run to Nashville PD for a job.

The policing problem starts and ends with the politicians.
 
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hog88 said:
The policing problem starts and ends with the politicians.
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Well, its a combination of politicians passing bad laws for them to enforce, the cop profession attracting a certain demographic of people (aggressive authoritarians), and neither side having general respect or common courtesy and decency to regular people (they are above us).
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Just because they have insurance? What's stopping people now for filing frivolous law suits? When a cop does stupid things, whether intentional or not, over and over, he should have some financial ramifications as well.

I'm as pro cop as you'll find. I've got several friends that are cops. But when you see incidents like the one in the video above, where after all that went down, he still doesn't get that he can't force someone to provide ID, maybe just maybe he should have something else to reinforce the correct law. Maybe if he felt a little pain in his wallet he would think a little before doing stupid ****. Same with the AR state trooper that felt like he needed to pit that pregnant woman.
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Because they can't with qualified immunity because the agencies take that responsibility and lawyers can only fire ACTUAL lawsuits with some shred of argument legally....Trust me it would be a different world if that went away, and not because i am for covering for "bad cops", but because I understand the logistics behind the civil/criminal court systems
 
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hog88 said:
I'm learning more and more about the internal workings of a police force and IMO it's as screwed up as a football bat. You have the mayor/city council riding herd over the chief who's not a bad guy about things so stupid as a councilman's neighbors loud music on the weekends. Salary for the officers sucks so they're hiring early 20somethings who will accept the pay and then a guy that's only been on the force 3 or 4 years is training them after they get out of the academy. Most of the young ones are juicing getting tatted up and act like frat boys, chief knows this but as he says I can't fire them and if they discipline them they just quit and run to Nashville PD for a job.

The policing problem starts and ends with the politicians.
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I think higher pay helps get better people for sure. I look.at it like the parent that constantly bails out his teenage son. Teenage son wrecks his Mercedes, gets tons of tickets, insurance premiums skyrocket but they keep paying. Teenage son has no stake in better behavior. If they make him have some stake in the game maybe his behavior changes?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because they can't with qualified immunity because the agencies take that responsibility and lawyers can only fire ACTUAL lawsuits with some shred of argument legally....Trust me it would be a different world if that went away, and not because i am for covering for "bad cops", but because I understand the logistics behind the civil/criminal court systems
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There are ways to.protect cops from frivolous lawsuits and still hold them accountable.
 
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VolStrom said:
When I was working, I was held accountable by coming to work and getting a paycheck versus getting fired and it worked wonders keeping me in check most of the time.
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That seems to be part of the problem,. They can be poor at their jobs and keep them or get fired and move to another agency. Like I said earlier, I'm huge pro cop. have many friends that are cops. I just don't think they have much skin in the game when it comes to making mistakes.
 
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