Arizona Election Audit

#102
#102
utvolpj said:
Travel? Sort of
Dist of vaccine? Spotty at best
Unified message? Not that I ever saw

His "hands off" approach allowed others to take the lead and control the narrative. He needed to be a leader but instead abdicated to Birx/Fauci. Outside of the vaccine production his response to covid was terrible and allowed a person like Biden to take the WH
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That was his biggest mistake. He should have controlled the message and distributed nothing but information.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Meh.
There was a serious lack of leadership under trump.
That’s another thing that hasn’t gotten better
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I am glad there was a lack. I think he did what could be done on a national level while letting states make the call locally.
I also think the few areas he led on got buried in a bunch of stupid tweets and idiotic statements to the press.

I think in the middle of this stuff the board discussed what should be done compared to what was being done and I don't recall anything of significance being offered in the "should have" category.
 
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McDad said:
Nationally he restricted travel into America, got a vaccine produced in under a year, arranged military healthcare areas to support and assist with demand, and presented a unified message of flattening the curve.

Other than those things, I didn't see much leadership from DC. I agree the states should be left alone to handle the unique circumstances for their people rather than have a one size fits all policy. I applaud Trump for his hands off approach.
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Trump didn't have a "hands off approach" to literally anything except the pandemic. A football player kneels and his fat face is on TV every day talking about it.

but our country faces the biggest health crisis in 100 years and he's gonna take a "hands off approach" ... (aka hide in his bunker)

Trump was a clown and a piece of ****
 
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#105
Tastylicks said:
Trump didn't have a "hands off approach" to literally anything except the pandemic. A football player kneels and his fat face is on TV every day talking about it.

but our country faces the biggest health crisis in 100 years and he's gonna take a "hands off approach"

Trump was a clown and a piece of ****
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What would you have liked to see him do?
 
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#106
McDad said:
I am glad there was a lack. I think he did what could be done on a national level while letting states make the call locally.
I also think the few areas he led on got buried in a bunch of stupid tweets and idiotic statements to the press.

I think in the middle of this stuff the board discussed what should be done compared to what was being done and I don't recall anything of significance being offered in the "should have" category.
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Is there a thread, or was that part of the massive COVID thread? Would be fun to revisit.
 
#107
#107
utvolpj said:
Travel? Sort of
Dist of vaccine? Spotty at best
Unified message? Not that I ever saw

His "hands off" approach allowed others to take the lead and control the narrative. He needed to be a leader but instead abdicated to Birx/Fauci. Outside of the vaccine production his response to covid was terrible and allowed a person like Biden to take the WH
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Development, not distribution.
"Flatten the curve" was a moment most of us tried to follow. It was a national directive. So much so, we began to mock it months later.
 
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#109
Tastylicks said:
Trump didn't have a "hands off approach" to literally anything except the pandemic. A football player kneels and his fat face is on TV every day talking about it.

but our country faces the biggest health crisis in 100 years and he's gonna take a "hands off approach" ... (aka hide in his bunker)

Trump was a clown and a piece of ****
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What actions should Trump have taken that are legally allowed?
 
#110
#110
Tastylicks said:
Trump didn't have a "hands off approach" to literally anything except the pandemic. A football player kneels and his fat face is on TV every day talking about it.

but our country faces the biggest health crisis in 100 years and he's gonna take a "hands off approach" ... (aka hide in his bunker)

Trump was a clown and a piece of ****
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To be fair, I didn't care about what he said. And I still don't. I think people who get caught up in his tweets have a brain wired for Jerry Springer. Not national politics.
I care about what he did. And he did some stupid stuff with spending. It's unconscionable the way the Fed spent money we don't have. But since there is only about 1% of the population who sincerely gas about spending, it doesn't matter.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Who controls the media to “allow” coverage?
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Its a private company doing the audit. They decided OANN are the only ones allowed to observe. No one else is even talking about this because its a bunch of BS. There's already been 2 audits in AZ that turned up nothing. This is just a ploy to keep you election conspiracy theorists hanging on. I'm sure they'll come up with something else after this is over.
 
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#115
hog88 said:
We don't need leadership and didn't need leadership, we needed information and facts. We can make our own informed decisions with that.

Subjects need leadership not informed citizens.
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You trust your peons to not need you around to provide some sort of direction? Anything large scale needs some type of leadership. Otherwise it just turns into a mess, see our 2020, and 2021 if you need evidence.
 
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#116
utvolpj said:
What actions should Trump have taken that are legally allowed?
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The one big thing that was missing in our leadership across the board was a willingness to be open and honest about what we do and do not know. They're all too afraid to say "I don't know" but that's how you establish trust for the things that you say that aren't "I don't know".
 
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#117
utvolpj said:
Again with no answer. You call it the "biggest health crisis in 100 years" yet can't come up with anything he could have done? Maybe you should take your own advice and resign from this discussion.
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I answered. You just didn't like it. He should've resigned as he wasn't up for the challenge. CEOs do that all the time when they recognize they dont have what it takes to fix things
 
#120
#120
Tastylicks said:
I answered. You just didn't like it. He should've resigned as he wasn't up for the challenge. CEOs do that all the time when they recognize they dont have what it takes to fix things
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It was a stupid, childish response and was treated as such. The fact that's all you can come up with anything meaningful is telling. You're a low info poster
 
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#121
LouderVol said:
You trust your peons to not need you around to provide some sort of direction? Anything large scale needs some type of leadership. Otherwise it just turns into a mess, see our 2020, and 2021 if you need evidence.
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My leadership style is to give information, training, expectations and goals then reward or hold accountable.
 
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#123
n_huffhines said:
The one big thing that was missing in our leadership across the board was a willingness to be open and honest about what we do and do not know. They're all too afraid to say "I don't know" but that's how you establish trust for the things that you say that aren't "I don't know".
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Agreed.
 
#124
#124
Tastylicks said:
Trump didn't have a "hands off approach" to literally anything except the pandemic. A football player kneels and his fat face is on TV every day talking about it.

but our country faces the biggest health crisis in 100 years and he's gonna take a "hands off approach" ... (aka hide in his bunker)

Trump was a clown and a piece of ****
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Dont like him on tv? Dont tune in. Dude is an attention hog, and all the left did was feed him what he wanted. If the MSM hadnt spent every waking minute on him like a TMZ groupie he would have been absolutely powerless. He literally wrote a book on how even negative coverage is good coverage, and from his vantage he is right.

Disagreeing with him and calling attention to whatever dumb he did just gave him more TV time. Should have just ignored him from day 1 and he would have floundered. His voters put him in office but his detractors gave him power.
 
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#125
utvolpj said:
It was a stupid, childish response and was tested as such. The fact that's all you can come up with anything meaningful is telling. You're a low info poster
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blah blah blah. trying to make this personal about me because you cannot really debate it. Its okay

Trump resigning would not have been stupid or childish. It would have been prudent and respectable.
 
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