Arizona Election Audit

#77
#77
ClearwaterVol said:
He took no leadership role in creating a coherent national plan to address the situation.
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I don't see how anyone could have come up with a national plan since all the way to the city level the circumstances varied from state to state. Not to mention it is the state governments job to handle internal issues.
 
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LouderVol said:
And neither has Biden.

Congrats on looking more red hatty every day. It's been fun to watch.
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At the initial stages of the pandemic we needed some leadership. He provided no guidance. He touted unproven remedies. He tweeted to the nation not to worry that it would all be over by summer. He mocked science. He gave ridiculous press conferences. This was Trump's biggest failure.

I did not offer my critique of Biden and I am not sure how it is relevant to my critique of how Trump mishandled the beginning stages of the pandemic.
 
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LouderVol said:
Keystone. Supporting the lockdowns. Talking about raising corporate taxes. Push on the green restrictions.

He may not directly control the knob for the prices, but pretending like his actions dont directly, in some cases, affect the prices consumers see is hogwash. It's why you have seen many posters speak out about something being a bad idea before it goes into effect.
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It still boils down to simple supply and demand. The Keystone XL was only about 8% constructed, and most of that oil was going to be exported anyway. Has little effect on current prices. The pandemic is to blame for high gas prices and high lumber prices. Which is why even if Trump won the election, they would be the same as they are today.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
These things would be the exact same if Trump was still in office.
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Southern boarder?
Yea right.
And your statement is irrelevant to the conversation. LG says things are better. Are they? Because that’s a list of things that have clearly gotten worse. But Trump doesn’t factor in to refuting LGs statements
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
At the initial stages of the pandemic we needed some leadership. He provided no guidance. He touted unproven remedies. He tweeted to the nation not to worry that it would all be over by summer. He mocked science. He gave ridiculous press conferences. This was Trump's biggest failure.

I did not offer my critique of Biden and I am not sure how it is relevant to my critique of how Trump mishandled the beginning stages of the pandemic.
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I was bringing the topic back around to Biden, where it started before you sidetracked us with some anti trump posts. Actually you and @hog88

Just as we needed leadership and didnt get it at the start under Trumo, we still need leadership and arent getting it under Biden.
 
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#92
Who is contracted to do this audit? (Isn’t this like the 4th or 5th Arizona audit?)
 
#93
#93
hog88 said:
I don't see how anyone could have come up with a national plan since all the way to the city level the circumstances varied from state to state. Not to mention it is the state governments job to handle internal issues.
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Nationally he restricted travel into America, got a vaccine produced in under a year, arranged military healthcare areas to support and assist with demand, and presented a unified message of flattening the curve.

Other than those things, I didn't see much leadership from DC. I agree the states should be left alone to handle the unique circumstances for their people rather than have a one size fits all policy. I applaud Trump for his hands off approach.
 
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McDad said:
Nationally he restricted travel into America, got a vaccine produced in under a year, arranged military healthcare areas to support and assist with demand, and presented a unified message of flattening the curve.

Other than those things, I didn't see much leadership from DC. I agree the states should be left alone to handle the unique circumstances for their people rather than have a one size fits all policy. I applaud Trump for his hands off approach.
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Meh.
There was a serious lack of leadership under trump.
That’s another thing that hasn’t gotten better
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
It still boils down to simple supply and demand. The Keystone XL was only about 8% constructed, and most of that oil was going to be exported anyway. Has little effect on current prices. The pandemic is to blame for high gas prices and high lumber prices. Which is why even if Trump won the election, they would be the same as they are today.
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Futures play a huge role in even current prices. It's why we saw prices dip when oil traders couldnt find a place to store ny more of it a while back. I know food also works under future pricing, I would imagine lumber does similarly.

The pandemic was the excuse used to shut down businesses and interupt the flow of trade. The shut downs decreased supply while demand went up. The pandemic itself had nearly zero to do with either. The associated government lockdowns directly impacted both supply and demand.

Biden has backed the shutdown plans, offering no reprieve so prices stay high. Trump was, depending on your view point, at best noncommittal about the lockdowns, and at worst against them. Of course he played politics with it, just like we are seeing Biden do.

Bidens strategy for Covid has been to lie about the situation, no vaccine, lie about Trumps plan, vaccines open to everyone by April. And then claim the vaccine and april success as his own. The guy who had to drop out of two other elections because of plagiarism is doing that again. But it's worse this time because he is cheating off of Trump. Imagine how dumb he has to be to try and claim the Cheeto's success as his own. How low is that? What does that say about Biden, where copying from Trump is an improvement over whatever else they could come up with.
 
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LouderVol said:
I was bringing the topic back around to Biden, where it started before you sidetracked us with some anti trump posts. Actually you and @hog88

Just as we needed leadership and didnt get it at the start under Trumo, we still need leadership and arent getting it under Biden.
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We don't need leadership and didn't need leadership, we needed information and facts. We can make our own informed decisions with that.

Subjects need leadership not informed citizens.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’d settle for the truth, whatever that may be.
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Here's the truth: Liberals see how close the electoral college is and are pushing to add electors to the union with DC statehood. Republicans are countering with gerrymandering districts in purple states where they control redistricting. People like us go to work, pay taxes, raise families, support businesses, and expect the bare minimum from our government; we will continue to be ignored.
 
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McDad said:
Nationally he restricted travel into America, got a vaccine produced in under a year, arranged military healthcare areas to support and assist with demand, and presented a unified message of flattening the curve.

Other than those things, I didn't see much leadership from DC. I agree the states should be left alone to handle the unique circumstances for their people rather than have a one size fits all policy. I applaud Trump for his hands off approach.
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Travel? Sort of
Dist of vaccine? Spotty at best
Unified message? Not that I ever saw

His "hands off" approach allowed others to take the lead and control the narrative. He needed to be a leader but instead abdicated to Birx/Fauci. Outside of the vaccine production his response to covid was terrible and allowed a person like Biden to take the WH
 
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