To Protect and to Serve II

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Septic said:
Dude, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this particular circumstance, but if the cop had taken a moment longer the kid would still be alive. If I discharge my weapon, I'm responsible for the lead floating downrange. I'd better be damn sure what I think, is. If not, I go to prison - the problem is that there is no accountability for police who f$@k up, they simply move and get hired by a different department. That's why the BLM folks are pissed...

Whether you agree or not, the unrest and riots are turning the tide on accountability.
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Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So why did the cop shoot him when the kid dropped it and put his hands up?
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the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again, maybe educate your self on case law on the subject, any reasonable person can conclude that the officer had justification to fear for his life in that situation.
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I think reasonable people would confirm the objective presence of a gun before blastin' somebody for having a gun.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
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Maybe. I'd bet a grand jury will decide.
 
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#12,259
Septic said:
Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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Meh, I'm not sure you can blame the cop too much on this situation. You're talking about split seconds to make a decision between shooting and not shooting. I'm giving the cop the benefit of doubt that he actually saw that the kid had a gun and may have seen a glimpse of it in the last few moments as the kid threw it away and then had assumed the kid still had it as his hands went up.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
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I really wish you would get away from using the term "legal". Just because it is legal, that doesn't mean it is necessarily right.

Rickyvol77 said:
Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
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I would much rather see cops getting involved in these situations than them sitting behind billboards and bushes looking for speeders, tinted windows and busted taillights.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
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Contradicting yourself here. You're saying that you acknowledge the cop didn't realize the gun was dropped, and that is the reason he chose to fire his weapon? If so, you're implying that the officer would not have shot if he did realize the gun was dropped (because that would be unjustified use of deadly force). That, my friend, is incompetence and a wrongful death.
 
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Septic said:
I think reasonable people would confirm the objective presence of a gun before blastin' somebody for having a gun.
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less than 2 seconds on the body cam before the shooting as his arm goes behind him, but yea go ahead and say what you think is wrong about it :rolleyes:
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Contradicting yourself here. You're saying that you acknowledge the cop didn't realize the gun was dropped, and that is the reason he chose to fire his weapon? If so, you're implying that the officer would not have shot if he did realize the gun was dropped (because that would be unjustified use of deadly force). That, my friend, is incompetence and a wrongful death.
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God you are ignorant and thick, an officer only has to prove he had fear for his safety from being shot and any reasonable person would say the same thing with the totality of the circumstances

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Chris4Vols22 said:
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yea so what? that was a still shot after the shot were fired, hate to prove you wrong again, but this shooting was 100% justified, you keep making the same mistakes arguing incorrectly on case law and police procedures. I've explained these simple concepts to you before and you still refuse to study it more so you educate yourself and understand it better
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
yea so what? that was a still shot after the shot were fired, hate to prove you wrong again, but this shooting was 100% justified, you keep making the same mistakes arguing incorrectly on case law and police procedures. I've explained these simple concepts to you before and you still refuse to study it more so you educate yourself and understand it better
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All you have done is illustrate exactly why so many people are fed up with the legitimate BS from law enforcement. You and your kind are so bent on finding legal justifications for any and every questionable action of officers that you can't see reality.

You don't have to explain to me that police and the judicial system will exhaust every resource to clear a potential crime committed by a fellow officer. Some people are bright enough to realize the very substantial problems that arise from the current policing system we enjoy today.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
All you have done is illustrate exactly why so many people are fed up with the legitimate BS from law enforcement. You and your kind are so bent on finding legal justifications for any and every questionable action of officers that you can't see reality.

You don't have to explain to me that police and the judicial system will exhaust every resource to clear a potential crime committed by a fellow officer. Some people are bright enough to realize the very substantial problems that arise from the current policing system we enjoy today.
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Except the great majority of these incidents are NOT "questionable" except to those who want to score political points for votes, those who are enables who think felons are not that bad of people or that crimes are ok, OR those who simply are emotionally immature and have no clear understanding of simple legal/law enforcement aspects of use of force. Most normal Americans understand that being armed and violent felons in the fighting, running and being violent towards police definitely can end in bad outcomes for said felon.

YOU think there are "substantial" use of force problems with the "current policing system" but the statistical evidence says otherwise by FAR....you and your generation are just easily susceptible to Facebook clicks and Twitter bots
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He wasn't unarmed and who is celebrating? FakeEvilLawyer
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You are doing the same thing you always do when a cop murders or assaults an unarmed civilian. You perform a character assassination of the victim and then parade around trying to convince everyone of your superior intelligence without providing any data that backs you up in the slightest. We're witnessing the standard Ricky defense, it's just more disgusting than usual because you're celebrating the murder of an unarmed 13 year old kid.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
You are doing the same thing you always do when a cop murders or assaults an unarmed civilian. You perform a character assassination of the victim and then parade around trying to convince everyone of your superior intelligence without providing any data that backs you up in the slightest. We're witnessing the standard Ricky defense, it's just more disgusting than usual because you're celebrating the murder of an unarmed 13 year old kid.
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- This was not a murder or an assault, it was a justified shooting of a violent criminal

- He was armed with a firearm, not "unarmed"

- Character assassination? You mean actual articulable facts of the totality of the circumstances of the case, which is what actually matters from a legal/case law standpoint? I have said nothing that wasn't 100% true. Violent felons being violent felons in the act of actual violence during their shootings

- Parade around? or correct millennials with no real world experience in terms of case law study and court proceedings, law enforcement, healthcare including mental health, a general understanding of gang violence and criminal culture, or an actual sociological perspective of people outside what they read on their FB feed? I mean there IS a reason the usual suspects are almost always wrong with their emotional views

- I'm not celebrating this idiotic kid's life choices or his death, it's on his parents just as much as he, I am correct in my assessment of the incident as a justified and legal shooting. Thus why normal people don't let their 13 yr old kid initiate into a gang by shooting at people at 230am
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
The video evidence confirms that the kid hands were up and empty before he was shot.
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A freeze frame. The video evidence also shows he was attempting at concealing a weapon behind his back right before, then hand comes up. Spilt second decision, can't blame the guy. I guess from now on officers should have to wait until fired upon to discharge their weapon?
 
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