To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you suggesting it wasnt a good shoot by officers? They knew he had the gun and saw it and the kid pulled it out of his pocket and lifted his hand towards the officer after throwing it to the ground...
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Yeah I don't think it's reasonable for a cop to shoot a person that has disarmed themselves and has their hands raised. Maybe I'm just old school....
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Sure looked like the kid's hands were up and empty...
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Cop should have just yelled 'tazer' and bingo, plausible deniability. Or hopefully they can find some drugs in his system and claim he overdosed just before the bullet tore through his flesh.
 
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Septic said:
It's ok, @Rickyvol77 says this doesn't happen enough for us to be concerned.
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I said it wasn't the norm which is what you said, and no 25-50 "questionable" incidents out of a few hundred shootings involving police out of 4 million police encounters with citizens isn't the norm or statistically even a big deal. It's like saying bee stings that result in death need to be a concern, and there are a lot more people who die of that than from police "misconduct".
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you suggesting it wasnt a good shoot by officers? They knew he had the gun and saw it and the kid pulled it out of his pocket and lifted his hand towards the officer after throwing it to the ground...
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You said yourself that the kid threw the gun in the alleyway and you can see it from 2 separate angles.

Rickyvol77 said:
he threw the gun in the alleyway when he lifted his hand...you can see it from two angles
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In the video the cop tells him to put his hands up and the kid complies. Then the cop empties the clip. Are you suggesting that the kid obeyed the cop's orders too much and thus deserved to be murdered?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Yeah I don't think it's reasonable for a cop to shoot a person that has disarmed themselves and has their hands raised. Maybe I'm just old school....
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The officer didn't see him disarm himself he had a one second window between when the kid dropped the gun and raised his hand...

I don't think its reasonable for a 13 year old wannabe gang member to carry a gun and run from police but hey, maybe I am old school
 
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Tyler Durden said:
You said yourself that the kid threw the gun in the alleyway and you can see it from 2 separate angles.



In the video the cop tells him to put his hands up and the kid complies. Then the cop empties the clip. Are you suggesting that the kid obeyed the cop's orders too much and thus deserved to be murdered?
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See it on video after the fact while i was looking directly at it after playing it back a few times, one of those camera angles was a security camera from 75 yards behind the fence line.

The officer had neither angle to look at in real time in the dark while running after an armed criminal..the kid didn't comply the officer saw him make the movement from his pocket removing something (Which correctly turned out to be the gun). If you think this is a "murder" too, you don't understand the law
 
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Septic said:
Cop should have just yelled 'tazer' and bingo, plausible deniability. Or hopefully they can find some drugs in his system and claim he overdosed just before the bullet tore through his flesh.
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or you know, rely on the actual law and established court cases that deal with officer use of force
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
See it on video after the fact while i was looking directly at it after playing it back a few times, one of those camera angles was a security camera from 75 yards behind the fence line.

The officer had neither angle to look at in real time in the dark while running after an armed criminal..the kid didn't comply the officer saw him make the movement from his pocket removing something (Which correctly turned out to be the gun). If you think this is a "murder" too, you don't understand the law
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So you, me, and anyone else who's watched the video are able to see the kid throw what's presumably a gun to the ground before raising his hands (which the cop told him to do) yet the cop who's 10 feet away from the kid and who's body cam footage we're watching isn't able to see that? Right....

It looks like this cop decided to be judge, jury, and executioner. Even when complying with his commands, the 13 year old kid deserved to die.

I'd like to say I'm surprised you're condoning this, but this is right on par for you. Gestapo tactics like this are unacceptable.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Lotsa wrong here. Then again, people generally don’t have a piece of paper pinned to their shirt that warns of any underlying issues (drugs, EDP, dementia, etc.), so...

Anybody else here ever paid for a box of tampons (yes, tampons) to avoid making an arrest?
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True.... but is it necessary to fling an 80lb old lady on the ground like that and then hammer lock her arm like that?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The officer didn't see him disarm himself he had a one second window between when the kid dropped the gun and raised his hand...

I don't think its reasonable for a 13 year old wannabe gang member to carry a gun and run from police but hey, maybe I am old school
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So what was the point in pursuing the kid then? Why not just shoot on sight or as they're running away? Why wait for the kid to do disarm and raise his hands?

Can you make sense of that without excusing the blatantly obvious incompetence?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So what was the point in pursuing the kid then? Why not just shoot on sight or as they're running away? Why wait for the kid to do disarm and raise his hands?

Can you make sense of that without excusing the blatantly obvious incompetence?
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What was the point of pursuing an armed gang member who was with another gang member who just shot at someone? is that a serious question?
You don't have to "shoot on sight", he knew the kid was armed with a firearm and thought he was bringing the gun up to shoot at him.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
So you, me, and anyone else who's watched the video are able to see the kid throw what's presumably a gun to the ground before raising his hands (which the cop told him to do) yet the cop who's 10 feet away from the kid and who's body cam footage we're watching isn't able to see that? Right....

It looks like this cop decided to be judge, jury, and executioner. Even when complying with his commands, the 13 year old kid deserved to die.

I'd like to say I'm surprised you're condoning this, but this is right on par for you. Gestapo tactics like this are unacceptable.
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Fakeevillawyer is hilariously naïve

We have the hindsight of watching the body cam footage several times after the fact, the officer did not, and had to make a one second decision in the dark, after running two blocks after an armed suspect whose partner had just shot someone...Graham vs Connor, TN vs Garner, study them sometime
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What was the point of pursuing an armed gang member who was with another gang member who just shot at someone? is that a serious question?
You don't have to "shoot on sight", he knew the kid was armed with a firearm and thought he was bringing the gun up to shoot at him.
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So you are saying it is indeed blatant incompetence and a wrongful death.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Not at all. It’s clear the officer was in fear of his life against an armed suspect
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It's clear that the officer mistook the kid's surrendering as a threat, and you seem to agree that's what happened. That is not an acceptable excuse. This is an example of blatant incompetence.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
It's clear that the officer mistook the kid's surrendering as a threat, and you seem to agree that's what happened. That is not an acceptable excuse. This is an example of blatant incompetence.
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The kid was concealing a weapon behind his body in view of the officer, it disappears behind his back and in a few frames, maybe a second at most it reappears. He had a split second to make a decision, a decision that could mean he never did to see how family again with a subject who has refused to comply to that point. You are looking at a freeze frame and have the advantage of processing it in a safe place with no threat to you. This wasn't a bad shooting, tragic yes, but the officer did nothing criminal here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The officer didn't see him disarm himself he had a one second window between when the kid dropped the gun and raised his hand...

I don't think its reasonable for a 13 year old wannabe gang member to carry a gun and run from police but hey, maybe I am old school
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Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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Septic said:
Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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So he should wait until being shot at to shoot back? That's essentially what your advocating for. He saw the hand come up, the same hand that was attempting to conceal a weapon a second at most earlier.

Tragic but not criminal. .
 
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KB5252 said:
So he should wait until being shot at to shoot back? That's essentially what your advocating for. He saw the hand come up, the same hand that was attempting to conceal a weapon a second at most earlier.

Tragic but not criminal. .
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Nah, I'm just saying that confirmation of a weapon should be high on the list of boxes to check when a cop starts blastin.
 
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KB5252 said:
The weapon had been confirmed
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Dude, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this particular circumstance, but if the cop had taken a moment longer the kid would still be alive. If I discharge my weapon, I'm responsible for the lead floating downrange. I'd better be damn sure what I think, is. If not, I go to prison - the problem is that there is no accountability for police who f$@k up, they simply move and get hired by a different department. That's why the BLM folks are pissed...

Whether you agree or not, the unrest and riots are turning the tide on accountability.
 
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