4 VOL Quarterbacks Ready to Compete for the Job

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I can't let him off the hook without him admitting how arrogantly wrong he was. I suspect he has created another screen name to avoid having to swallow his pride.

I’ve been very objective in my posting towards players I believe should play. I never said I wasn’t a Shrout fan because I was but he proved he just didn’t have it when he got his chance this past year.

I want what is best for UT and Shrout wasn’t it. That being said, last year Bailey was the best option over JG. Brian was dealing with a lot of stuff and none of the QBs were getting quality reps.

So the best option is to go with the player who has the most upside at the time and that was Bailey last year. So I supported him and still support him this year.

If you asked me my opinion as a fan of the Team I think it will be Bailey who comes out on top. That doesn’t mean that I’m not excited to see who actually will come out on top, whoever, that QB is I will support and back them 100% until they give me a real reason not to.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I can't let him off the hook without him admitting how arrogantly wrong he was. I suspect he has created another screen name to avoid having to swallow his pride.

Also, I only have 1 screen name and I don’t know where I was “arrogantly wrong” you talking about the Maurer being injury prone? Because if so, he has been injured most of his time at UT. He even made the statement that he finally feels the best he ever has being injury free the other day.

 

[butchna]

I hype his strengths up to cartoonish levels? Care to enlighten me when I’ve done that? Because I personally think I keep it real. If your accusations are correct then then that would suggest that I never give credit where it’s due in regards to the others. Although someone posted a video of BM hitting center mass of a goalpost from 70 yards nearly a year ago, I’ve never said his arm strength was as good as JTS have I? Don’t think the thought hasn’t crossed my mind that that may not be true anymore but to assume that JTSs arm hasn’t gotten stronger as well isn’t a fair assumption and therefore never been apart of my posts. If I hyped him up to cartoonish levels I’d NEVER admit a better runner. I’ve done that twice in Hooker and Salter.

So I get heat from you based on your false opinion of me and you feel it’s warranted. However I never seek you out with your constant bullying of posters abroad which is evident and real. I want to be clear here Butchna. I have the upmost respect (as I’ve stated many times before) for your knowledge of the Vols. I even credit you for being somewhat respectful in your criticism of Maurer. However the way you talk to PEOPLE as a whole is the exact reason I don’t back down from you when you seek me out. And if I had to guess, I’d say your Internet personality doesn’t match your real one in face to face debates.

Arm that only 4 NFL QBs in history could approximate, often cited Aaron Rodgers comparison with nothing to back it up and your estimate of his speed which never looks to be the 4.5 you’ve cited. There are others, but I’ll limit it to that for now. I didn’t have an issue with you until you couldn’t allow Maurer’s interceptions in that first O&W to stand at face value. EVERY QB makes throws they’d love to have back but not every QB has an apologist on staff to blame them on everybody BUT the QB. Called bull then and you keep giving me opportunities to repeat. A note on your latest humanitarian bs? If you “don’t back down”? You’re not being BULLIED! There’s nothing I put on here that makes other posters powerless to respond. That’s your vestigial estrogen levels hate criming your nads! Buck up buttercup!

 

[butchna]

The pursuit of objective truth is the only basis for anything rational or socially coherent. Societies over that time have succeeded and failed in direct proportion to their alignment with "Natural Law"... self evident truth.

You argue here as much as anyone obviously believing you are right. That's insanity if you do not believe what you are saying is "true"... and not just for "you".

You ever find a method that scientifically identifies that ONE TRUTH? Feel free to link and multi quote it on here...bated breath.

 

[1vol8]

Lol all I’ve ever said is that Shrout had a better arm than Maurer and I thought Shrout should be playing not JG.

The arm statement wasn’t wrong but Shrout had other issues that he proved he needed to fix. Just like Maurer has things he needs to fix and like now Bailey needs to fix.

Now we have 3 QBs and a Freshman QB who isn’t in the Mix, that all have great things about them but need to fix certain things and this staff is going to coach that. This staff is proven in that area.

So if these guys are going to amount to anything and show improvement it will be under this staff and I am excited to see a “True” QB battle this year. Whoever emerges as the “Starter” is going to do so because they are the best QB at that position.

It’s exciting.

Every qb that has ever come through at every level comes with areas of needed improvement. It’s the ones with the shortest lists that SHOULD be given opportunities. Maurers is definitely decision making and he could always get better at reading defense and I’ve never denied that in the least. But most of his “bad decisions” WERE in fact in games he wasn’t prepared to play in regardless of how anyone feels about the tired argument. So until he starts showing a history of bad decision making in games he WAS prepared to play in, I’ll withhold judgment. Jg was decision making, holding his spot at the back of his drop like he was entitled to it, leadership, accuracy, reading defense and an overwhelming sense of protecting the ball to the point it actually hurt the team. So out of those two, I have no problem saying BM was better and it showed on the field in his limited opportunity in 2019.

I don’t criticize your opinions. Never really have. It’s all in how you state the opinion or debate opposing opinions that get me going on unfriendly debate. A perfect example is sjt18 and Littlevol. We don’t agree on everything but when they disagree with me its always put in a respectful manner. When I do challenge their take I do it with respect and aim my post towards something they may not have known/thought about in regards to their opinion. Im that way with everyone that shows they deserve respect. Others just want to fight and post their opinions accordingly.

 

[1vol8]

Arm that only 4 NFL QBs in history could approximate, often cited Aaron Rodgers comparison with nothing to back it up and your estimate of his speed which never looks to be the 4.5 you’ve cited. There are others, but I’ll limit it to that for now. I didn’t have an issue with you until you couldn’t allow Maurer’s interceptions in that first O&W to stand at face value. EVERY QB makes throws they’d love to have back but not every QB has an apologist on staff to blame them on everybody BUT the QB. Called bull then and you keep giving me opportunities to repeat. A note on your latest humanitarian bs? If you “don’t back down”? You’re not being BULLIED! There’s nothing I put on here that makes other posters powerless to respond. That’s your vestigial estrogen levels hate criming your nads! Buck up buttercup!

I’ve given you every opportunity to see the comparison for yourself. So having “nothing to back it up” is complete BS. You keep bring it up and I’m damn close to creating a comparison video just to shut you up.

As for the 4.5 speed. Do some digging. He posted a 4.5 at UF. He posted a 4.7 at the “dreaded” elite 11 on a fractured foot. He ran a 4.6 right off the bus at LSU before ever stretching and I’ve seen his numbers since being in Knoxville. Oh and don’t think I haven’t done it myself. He’s a consistent 4.5 like it or not.

So there you go. Your BS debunked once again

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This thread is kind of funny. None of us know who is gonna win the QB job. Anyone just completely dismissing Maurer winning the job because of his prior performances is crazy. He could absolutely win the job.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Every qb that has ever come through at every level comes with areas of needed improvement. It’s the ones with the shortest lists that SHOULD be given opportunities. Maurers is definitely decision making and he could always get better at reading defense and I’ve never denied that in the least. But most of his “bad decisions” WERE in fact in games he wasn’t prepared to play in regardless of how anyone feels about the tired argument. So until he starts showing a history of bad decision making in games he WAS prepared to play in, I’ll withhold judgment. Jg was decision making, holding his spot at the back of his drop like he was entitled to it, leadership, accuracy, reading defense and an overwhelming sense of protecting the ball to the point it actually hurt the team. So out of those two, I have no problem saying BM was better and it showed on the field in his limited opportunity in 2019.

I don’t criticize your opinions. Never really have. It’s all in how you state the opinion or debate opposing opinions that get me going on unfriendly debate. A perfect example is sjt18 and Littlevol. We don’t agree on everything but when they disagree with me its always put in a respectful manner. When I do challenge their take I do it with respect and aim my post towards something they may not have known/thought about in regards to their opinion. Im that way with everyone that shows they deserve respect. Others just want to fight and post their opinions accordingly.

My biggest issue with you sprouted from blaming Ramel for a bad throw from Maurer during the O&W game.

That being said. I don’t care about the past anymore. What matters is what happens in the Spring and Fall practices under these new coaches and who emerges as the Starter. I just want the University of Tennessee to win again. I am excited to see who comes out on top and hopefully helps us Win.

 

[butchna]

I’ve given you every opportunity to see the comparison for yourself. So having “nothing to back it up” is complete BS. You keep bring it up and I’m damn close to creating a comparison video just to shut you up.

As for the 4.5 speed. Do some digging. He posted a 4.5 at UF. He posted a 4.7 at the “dreaded” elite 11 on a fractured foot. He ran a 4.6 right off the bus at LSU before ever stretching and I’ve seen his numbers since being in Knoxville. Oh and don’t think I haven’t done it myself. He’s a consistent 4.5 like it or not.

So there you go. Your BS debunked once again

“Opportunity to see it” the same way as you...pretty much sums it up. I don’t. Maybe he gets there but he isn’t there now. Dismissing that take is your right but don’t act like that’s nails in your palms.

Too bad the dreaded Elite 11 has a more legitimate laser timing system than whatever he did in Gainesville. While you’re undertaking that epic non-weighted comparison video, maybe tell your boy to not run on a fractured foot and definitely STRETCH so you can legitimately claim he runs a “consistent” 4.5...cuz now it doesn’t meet the definition. And one would think that burping out the same dirty butt air isn’t DEBUNKING anything.

 

[1vol8]

My biggest issue with you sprouted from blaming Ramel for a bad throw from Maurer during the O&W game.

That being said. I don’t care about the past anymore. What matters it what happens in the Spring and Fall practices under these new coaches and who emerges as the Starter. I just want the University of Tennessee to win again. I am excited to see who comes out on top and hopefully helps us Win.

I’m an equal opportunity ass whooper. Lol. My opinion hasn’t changed on that but I’ve let that go quite a while ago and just wanted to see Keaton get better. Still do.

Believe it or not yes I pull for Maurer but I really don’t care who wins. The reason for that is Brian will be fine either way. I know there was interest in him when it seemed he was destined to leave. That’s why I kept telling people to be careful what they wished for when they would say he won’t be in the SEC.

 

[butchna]

But most of his “bad decisions” WERE in fact in games he wasn’t prepared to play in regardless of how anyone feels about the tired argument. So until he starts showing a history of bad decision making in games he WAS prepared to play in...

He should’ve.

 

[peaygolf]

 

[butchna]

I’m an equal opportunity ass whooper. Lol. My opinion hasn’t changed on that but I’ve let that go quite a while ago and just wanted to see Keaton get better. Still do.

Believe it or not yes I pull for Maurer but I really don’t care who wins. The reason for that is Brian will be fine either way. I know there was interest in him when it seemed he was destined to leave. That’s why I kept telling people to be careful what they wished for when they would say he won’t be in the SEC.

OMG! Can I go ahead and cast my DON’T vote?

 

[1vol8]

“Opportunity to see it” the same way as you...pretty much sums it up. I don’t. Maybe he gets there but he isn’t there now. Dismissing that take is your right but don’t act like that’s nails in your palms.

Too bad the dreaded Elite 11 has a more legitimate laser timing system than whatever he did in Gainesville. While you’re undertaking that epic non-weighted comparison video, maybe tell your boy to not run on a fractured foot and definitely STRETCH so you can legitimately claim he runs a “consistent” 4.5...cuz now it doesn’t meet the definition. And one would think that burping out the same dirty butt air isn’t DEBUNKING anything.

Idk what you do for a living and don’t really care. I’m sure you’re good at whatever you do. But if I criticized the way you did your job without the experience you have, how would you look at me? I’d look like a complete idiot right? Well that’s how I feel when you criticize my opinions, comparisons or otherwise in my line of work. I’ve told you how to compare. I’ve even told you what to look FOR and yet you still can’t get over it. Of course he’s “not there yet”. No one is when “comparisons” are made. What would you say to the guy that compared Salter to Deshaun Watson? Would you give him the same hard time? Because Salter “isn’t there yet”.

 

[butchna]

Idk what you do for a living and don’t really care. I’m sure you’re good at whatever you do. But if I criticized the way you did your job without the experience you have, how would you look at me? I’d look like a complete idiot right? Well that’s how I feel when you criticize my opinions, comparisons or otherwise in my line of work. I’ve told you how to compare. I’ve even told you what to look FOR and yet you still can’t get over it. Of course he’s “not there yet”. No one is when “comparisons” are made. What would you say to the guy that compared Salter to Deshaun Watson? Would you give him the same hard time? Because Salter “isn’t there yet”.

Does your JOB require pitching one player and discounting others as if your life is impacted by the result? If so, well done and much success. Since I don’t believe that and do believe you’re a professional in the field you’ve stated, I place you in the fanboy category and give your not so helpful suggestions on how to agree with you little weight. I’m on record (even before the latest incident) that I believed Salter needed a year to adjust and immerse. I also don’t declare that as a fact. Style points. You didn’t limit yourself or your boy in COMPARISONS. You pretty much declared him the same player making the same throws. Why would you lie? Answer: you don’t think you are...THINK. Someone who doesn’t see it isn’t ignoring FACTS. That’s your fault. You train QBs for a living...great. Present your assessment as facts before the fact and you’re fair game for discourse.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Ok.
UGA -1 int
MSST - 2 ints (1 immediately after landing on his head)
Alabama- 1 int (handed to them on a perfectly thrown ball)
UK- 0 ints

Happy now?

There are a lot of things that can be said about BM but I’d bet my left arm that anything less than an alpha qb is a very unpopular opinion. But you can’t convince people like yourself and Pruitt that they’re not always right. Too hard headed. Talent minus preparation equals failure no matter how you try and justify it SHOULD equal success. That kind of thinking is exactly why Pruitt lost his job and that kind of thinking is exactly why I question your intelligence on the position.

I was a big Maurer fan at one time mainly because I knew the team needed something other than JG. But you need to take the rose colored glasses off. Maurer is a huge question mark just like the other candidates. In fact it would not surprise that Hooker wins the job because of his previous experience.

 

[1vol8]

I was a big Maurer fan at one time mainly because I knew the team needed something other than JG. But you need to take the rose colored glasses off. Maurer is a huge question mark just like the other candidates. In fact it would not surprise that Hooker wins the job because of his previous experience.

I’m on record saying Hooker probably has the early lead.

 

[JRich]

 

[HalfullVol]

@1vol8

you've got to learn to walk away sometimes

there is no winning on a message board and we all know folks who bloviate endlessly here at the expense of others

"who cares" is a better attitude when getting into these types of spats

however, @butchna utilizing "vestigial" correctly gets the dub today - if that matters

 

[1vol8]

@1vol8

you've got to learn to walk away sometimes

there is no winning on a message board and we all know folks who bloviate endlessly here at the expense of others

"who cares" is a better attitude when getting into these types of spats

however, @butchna utilizing "vestigial" correctly gets the dub today - if that matters

You’re right. I’m bad about that with those that think everyone should bow when they speak

 

[butchna]

@1vol8

you've got to learn to walk away sometimes

there is no winning on a message board and we all know folks who bloviate endlessly here at the expense of others

"who cares" is a better attitude when getting into these types of spats

however, @butchna utilizing "vestigial" correctly gets the dub today - if that matters

I vote yes.

 

[butchna]

You’re right. I’m bad about that with those that think everyone should bow when they speak

Then I’ll expect it the first time I ever actually ask.

 

[sjt18]

You ever find a method that scientifically identifies that ONE TRUTH? Feel free to link and multi quote it on here...bated breath.

If you ever imagine a reality where there can be multiple truths... let us know.

From a Christian perspective, God is "true". From an experiential viewpoint, the acceptance that objective truth exists, is "knowable", and is a worthy pursuit to "discover" is foundational even for folks who've been convinced that objective truth does not exist.

The "method that scientifically" identifies truth and error if you reject God is experience. Do the wrong things and there are predictable consequences. That's why the study of history can guide societies if they do not arrogantly think past errors will "work this time because we're different". The philosophy you've represented isn't novel. It has risen... and fallen... many times. Any time you see a society where people consider themselves a god unto themselves with the authority to define their "own truth"... that society is failing.

 

[butchna]

If you ever imagine a reality where there can be multiple truths... let us know.

From a Christian perspective, God is "true". From an experiential viewpoint, it is the acceptance that objective truth exists, is "knowable", and is a worthy pursuit to "know" is foundational even for folks who've been convinced that objective truth does not exist.

The "method that scientifically" identifies truth and error if you reject God is experience. Do the wrong things and there are predictable consequences. That's why the study of history can guide societies if they do not arrogantly think past errors will "work this time because we're different". The philosophy you've represented isn't novel. It has risen... and fallen... many times. Any time you see a society where people consider themselves a god unto themselves with the authority to define their "own truth"... that society is failing.

We’re back to where we started...nowhere.

 

[sjt18]

Also, I only have 1 screen name and I don’t know where I was “arrogantly wrong” you talking about the Maurer being injury prone? Because if so, he has been injured most of his time at UT. He even made the statement that he finally feels the best he ever has being injury free the other day.

Man. We keep getting wires crossed. I honestly don't remember having any problem with you. I think we've probably disagreed on some things and agreed on others. no problem there.

I was specifically talking about Pulaski.

You haven't been arrogant about Maurer but haven't accounted for the facts all that well. I think he said he felt the best he has since he was a Fr. That doesn't necessarily mean he was injured. Lots of guys have nagging things that they can play through but aren't comfortable.