To Protect and to Serve II

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KB5252 said:
I don't disagree. I think I may have represented my stance incompletely. I agree bad police are a problem. I just think they reflect the same issues on a larger societal scale. Everyone in entrenching into their own safe zones and demonizing in their minds everyone else. It's a societal issue reflected in any subset of people.
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Ah, I see, and I can certainly agree on that as well.

To kinda both of our points, I personally believe that the overall perception and opinion of LEO should be higher than it is in civilian society. In an ideal world, cops should be universally respected and valued. Obviously that is not the case today. There is a similar need (though I argue not nearly as pressing) for society to put its trust and faith behind the badge - just like society needs cops to do their jobs well.

I pretty much got laughed out of the room when I brought up this idea a while back, but I really wish a celebrity/athlete/prominent figure would start a movement to change attitudes about policing, both from a societal and LEO perspective. Like make it a thing to strive to hear each other out and actively search for real solutions to change attitudes and perceptions for the benefit of everyone. I know, borderline hippie delusional, but does anyone have a better idea?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Without a serious re-evaluation of the criminal code in this country, things are only going to get worse
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Here is the rub. I'm not sure if LEOs want laws to be taken off the books because that would offer less justification for needing as any police. They want ever increasing laws because it provides job security.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here is the rub. I'm not sure if LEOs want laws to be taken off the books because that would offer less justification for needing as any police. They want ever increasing laws because it provides job security.
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We actually don’t give 2 hoots about most of it. What we care about is arresting the same person over and over again throughout our careers. The need for police has never been an issue until “society” decided to make the police the nannie and solver of all problems. Wanna see an improvement... open up long term mental facilities and watch a lot of this spree killing/officer involved killing disappear.
 
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tim said:
We actually don’t give 2 hoots about most of it. What we care about is arresting the same person over and over again throughout our careers. The need for police has never been an issue until “society” decided to make the police the nannie and solver of all problems. Wanna see an improvement... open up long term mental facilities and watch a lot of this spree killing/officer involved killing disappear.
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exactly, people who don't have a clue want to blame "mask laws, war on drugs, traffic violations" etc. but the fact is that gang activity, mentally ill/homeless issues, and drug activity make up probably 95% of the criminal issues police face on the streets these days (With the rise in mental illness over the past 2 generations being the most dangerous outside of gangs)
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here is the rub. I'm not sure if LEOs want laws to be taken off the books because that would offer less justification for needing as any police. They want ever increasing laws because it provides job security.
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I don't disagree that they feel this way, but with time I believe they could and would see the benefit of some changes, like decreased workload, time to decompress between calls etc, which is certainly needed. They have a very stressful job. They see the worst in humanity daily
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't disagree that they feel this way, but with time I believe they could and would see the benefit of some changes, like decreased workload, time to decompress between calls etc, which is certainly needed. They have a very stressful job. They see the worst in humanity daily
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It’s the slowly boiling frog scenario. Older cops remember how it used to be and just got used to the environment as it evolved to what it is now. Before they know it they’re overwhelmed. The war on drugs was extremely effective and in the wheelhouse of LE. At the time gang violence was through the roof and drugs fueled it. The prisons were filled with the violent and the streets were safer. Most violent crimes not deemed a spree killing still, to this day, have a drug nexus. I’m afraid Legalizing drugs would have an unintended consequence as we see how it has driven our mental illness problems. The answer is somewhere out there but I think the hands off approach we’re heading towards is not the correct one.
 
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tim said:
It’s the slowly boiling frog scenario. Older cops remember how it used to be and just got used to the environment as it evolved to what it is now. Before they know it they’re overwhelmed. The war on drugs was extremely effective and in the wheelhouse of LE. At the time gang violence was through the roof and drugs fueled it. The prisons were filled with the violent and the streets were safer. Most violent crimes not deemed a spree killing still, to this day, have a drug nexus. I’m afraid Legalizing drugs would have an unintended consequence as we see how it has driven our mental illness problems. The answer is somewhere out there but I think the hands off approach we’re heading towards is not the correct one.
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Its like we are going in circles.
 
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utvolpj said:
You have to consider the pov. It was effective in population targeting, revenue collection and increased police budgets.
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The U.S. Murder Rate Is Up But Still Far Below Its 1980 PeakThere was zero “population targeting” unless you label a drug dealer as a race. We simply went after the largest organization we could. Y’all LOVE to espouse the asset seizures, but fail to mention the sharp reduction in violent crime. The goal was to reduce local tax payer burden and ensure that crime does not pay. OCDTF/HIDTA programs were implemented so that local agencies had some skin in the game and benefitted from training and didn’t break the bank ensuring their communities we’re getting the attention they needed. The closest thing to population targeting was in the late 80’s early 90’s (can’t recall) when they reduced thresholds to 50 grams for certain drugs. But they did that for methamphetamine/pseudo also which, then, was a rural mostly white epidemic. It was all fairly new at the time as we got better so did the cartels.
 
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Whew... another bloodthirsty killer taken off the streets. Thank goodness we have LEOs out here making sure we are safe.

Firearm disguised as Nerf gun seized during search warrant

The Catawba County Sheriff's Office reports multiple agencies conducted a search at a residence on Old Catawba Road on March 17 after investigators had gathered evidence of narcotics possession at the location.

During the search, officials seized a number of items including cocaine, psilocybin mushrooms, marijuana, approximately $2,300 and twenty firearms consisting of pistols, rifles and shotguns.
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So they got a warrant just based on narcotics possession? Interesting... But surely, he was a bloodthirsty killer though, right?

Officials say as a result of the search, Damien Alonzo Burch, 35, of Catawba, was arrested and charged with felonious possession of cocaine, felonious possession of mushrooms and misdemeanor possession of marijuana. The sheriff's office says Burch was issued a $20,000 unsecured bond and had a first appearance in Catawba County District Court on March 18.
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Carl Pickens said:
Looks like systemic racism to me
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I got no words for what I just saw. On the one hand, I grew up in an environment that condoned this type of behavior towards kids, but then I've been around long enough as I've gotten older to see it handled differently. I'm torn between me getting soft or me gaining more wisdom.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I got no words for what I just saw. On the one hand, I grew up in an environment that condoned this type of behavior towards kids, but then I've been around long enough as I've gotten older to see it handled differently. I'm torn between me getting soft or me gaining more wisdom.
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I think it’s more wisdom.
 
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