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MarcoVol said:
AD (maybe boosters too, Idk) got exactly what they asked for with Dooley = a losing HC. How anyone associated with the program ever OK’d that hire is beyond me. Every booster should’ve threatened to pull their support as soon as his name came up. F’n idiots.
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I honestly don't know what the thinking was. Correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't even have a winning record.
 
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Garren04 said:
He's not going to whether you like it or not. Barnes has no idea what a modern offense even looks like and we will bring in high rated prospects which is fun, but I just don't think a barnes coached team is ever built to do anything significant. #justmythoughts
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Making the Sweet Sixteen is not significant? What do you consider to be significant?
 
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VolByLaw said:
The same people who argue we are still the equivalent of Florida, Georgia, and Bama in football will mock younger fans for their desire to be better in basketball. While in the lifetime of current recruits and younger fans, TN basketball is a much better program than TN football.

In football, since 2010, we are 66-69. 3-30 against Florida, Georgia, and Bama, who some claim are our rivals.

In basketball, the last 3 coaches (excluding Tyndall's 1-year stint) have all made at least one Sweet 16. Pearl made 2 Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight. Cuonzo and Rick both have a Sweet 16 appearance.

Our football coaches over that same time-span? Late career Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, and Heupel, who have a combined 4 seasons (2 by Fulmer and 2 by Butch) with 8 or more regular-season wins over that 15-year time-span.

Is our basketball job elite? No. But like Rob Lewis said in a recent podcast, this job will be highly sought after when it comes open. Our football job was not. The university has shown it will support basketball and the last 3 coaches (excluding Tyndall) have shown you can win here. Basketball recruits have also seen the basketball program win, be competitive in the tournament, develop kids, and be #1 in the country. Football recruits have seen us be the laughing stock of college football while wasting away top recruiting classes.

I like Rick, but he isn't winning you a championship. He isn't worth top 5 money. He isn't the only one that can win at this job. Yet some believe we should worship him for underachieving while some also hold this crazy opinion that we are still an elite football program. We are not elite at anything right now. But we are much closer to being elite in basketball than football.

I have few expectations for the football program and have had that view for years. We are a fading football program dying a slow death. But basketball is a rising program that I and many younger fans have higher expectations for.
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So who got us closer to being elite in basketball. I don't think age has anything to do with it. Rick Barnes is a winner. It really is that simple.
 
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Smokeytom said:
How bad we used to be in basketball has absolutely no bearing on this last season. Barnes didn’t do a good job this year. People calling for his head are dumb. Both can be true. Both are true.
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Agree. Season was a disappointment. No way in the world that we should fire him.
 
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Weezer said:
He would have survived the barbecue with a slap on the wrist. He decided to complicate things by committing a level 1 violation (lying to the NCAA) in an attempt to cover for a level 2 violation. One of the most boneheaded decisions ever, and one that lies squarely on his shoulders. People need to stop blaming the university for a decision Bruce made. No one told him to lie. He made that decision himself.
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It’s also why I get FURIOUS whenever we play him that commentators always play up the “revenge” angle for him, as though BRUCE was the one who got screwed by US. Dude did us dirty. Real dirty.
 
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scienceteaching_vol said:
I honestly don't know what the thinking was. Correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't even have a winning record.
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His dad was Vince Dooley..... we almost hired him the year before bc he made their first bowl game in awhile..... we were already high on him for those two reasons.... we overlooked his decline in year 3 bc we were desperate and already really liked him.
 
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volbeast33 said:
His dad was Vince Dooley..... we almost hired him the year before bc he made their first bowl game in awhile..... we were already high on him for those two reasons.... we overlooked his decline in year 3 bc we were desperate and already really liked him.
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They went to a bowl game in 2005. So first bowl game in 3 years.

He went 5-7, 8-5, 4-8. La Tech was 7-4 in 2005 and 3-9 in 2006. It’s not like he pulled some miracle turnaround.
 
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