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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I picked up this old smith from a buddy of mine a few days ago. Model 57 .41 magnum. She’s a pussycat compared to the 44 magnum and .475 linebaugh. I put her through her paces today at the range and I’m quite pleased.
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I am glad someone on here has class.
N Frames have always been and will always be cool.
I always found .41s more accurate than .44 magnums.
Might just be the .44 is a bit much for me.
Old school Keith lead SWC and 2400 is hard to beat if you don't make it too hot.
 
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tnutater said:
I am glad someone on here has class.
N Frames have always been and will always be cool.
I always found .41s more accurate than .44 magnums.
Might just be the .44 is a bit much for me.
Old school Keith lead SWC and 2400 is hard to beat if you don't make it too hot.
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Indeed, the Smith and Wesson N frames are certainly old school cool. To me the great thing about the 44 magnum is how versatile it is. The Keith load in the model 29 is stout to say the least. My stopping point is usually 18.5 grains of 2400 behind a hard cast 255 grain Keith bullet. My observations of the 41 magnum so far is it’s much flatter shooting that the 44. I’m experiencing with loads and also playing with the 41 special a little bit.
 
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YankeeVol said:
I did ask you for a heads up at the least 😂

Just give me 15 minutes
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You need not lose one wink of sleep over me, or many others like me.

Funny aside, I duly sent via email the required ATF 5320.20 to transport my SBR to and from TN for our upcoming vacation. Got disapproved. Called the ATF; worked my way through the menu and a couple of real humans; and ended up talking to the Legal Instrument Examiner (LIE...go figure) who shot me down (pun intended). She looks it over, and tells me I was disapproved because I put "6933" in the block for the model number. Mind you, I have a Colt 6933. I pull my ATF stamp...the approved one...and look in the block for Model Number. Sure enough, 6933. So I spend another five minutes going over this detail with her. She finally tells me to re-submit, but this time just put "M4 Carbine" in the model number block, and she will approve it.

So now I'm "pending". In all honesty, she was very friendly, and very helpful, but for goodness sake...if you approved it as a "6933", when did it become just an "M4 Carbine"? I get it for non-factory SBR's, but model number is model number, right?

So I figure if they come looking for mine, I'll just tell them all I have is a 6933. That should tie them up long enough for me to move it.

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GreyWolf1129 said:
You need not lose one wink of sleep over me, or many others like me.

Funny aside, I duly sent via email the required ATF 5320.20 to transport my SBR to and from TN for our upcoming vacation. Got disapproved. Called the ATF; worked my way through the menu and a couple of real humans; and ended up talking to the Legal Instrument Examiner (LIE...go figure) who shot me down (pun intended). She looks it over, and tells me I was disapproved because I put "6933" in the block for the model number. Mind you, I have a Colt 6933. I pull my ATF stamp...the approved one...and look in the block for Model Number. Sure enough, 6933. So I spend another five minutes going over this detail with her. She finally tells me to re-submit, but this time just put "M4 Carbine" in the model number block, and she will approve it.

So now I'm "pending". In all honesty, she was very friendly, and very helpful, but for goodness sake...if you approved it as a "6933", when did it become just an "M4 Carbine"? I get it for non-factory SBR's, but model number is model number, right?

So I figure if they come looking for mine, I'll just tell them all I have is a 6933. That should tie them up long enough for me to move it.

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Not a bad move, Makes sense
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Indeed, the Smith and Wesson N frames are certainly old school cool. To me the great thing about the 44 magnum is how versatile it is. The Keith load in the model 29 is stout to say the least. My stopping point is usually 18.5 grains of 2400 behind a hard cast 255 grain Keith bullet. My observations of the 41 magnum so far is it’s much flatter shooting that the 44. I’m experiencing with loads and also playing with the 41 special a little bit.
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18.5 seems warm.
Do you gas check?
 
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Recoil/blast was for me the reason I kept really low on the .44.
Also most of ole Elmer's loads used standard Large Pistol Primers, I used Magnum primers never liked trying to get too carried away with those and Keith's load data.
Today I guess we use whatever primer we are lucky enough to find.
 
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tnutater said:
Recoil/blast was for me the reason I kept really low on the .44.
Also most of ole Elmer's loads used standard Large Pistol Primers, I used Magnum primers never liked trying to get too carried away with those and Keith's load data.
Today I guess we use whatever primer we are lucky enough to find.
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Yeah, I never really use magnum primers. Large pistol primers usually works out fine. 2400 isn’t a powder that likes to be downloaded much. I’ll usually stick to the “skeeter load” in 44 special 7.5 grains of unique behind the same 255 grain bullet and it works out fine for most things. If using magnum brass, I’ll up it to 9.5 or 10 grains of unique. It’s a nice load and doesn’t beat the shooter or gun up very much.
 
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tnutater said:
I am glad someone on here has class.
N Frames have always been and will always be cool.
I always found .41s more accurate than .44 magnums.
Might just be the .44 is a bit much for me.
Old school Keith lead SWC and 2400 is hard to beat if you don't make it too hot.
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I think a lot of people tend to develop the anticipation of recoil and noise dive a .44. Most folks don't have enough trigger time (or patience) with it to get beyond that realm. Hence, it's an inherent "built in" inaccuracy.

Big bore magnums are still a "niche" firearm and I don't believe a lot of people know what they are getting into. I don't think any handgun is inherently inaccurate for the most part especially at normal engagement ranges. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but magnums over .41 caliber tend to be just as accurate, but require a lot more patience and training to make them perform at optimal levels.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think a lot of people tend to develop the anticipation of recoil and noise dive a .44. Most folks don't have enough trigger time (or patience) with it to get beyond that realm. Hence, it's an inherent "built in" inaccuracy.

Big bore magnums are still a "niche" firearm and I don't believe a lot of people know what they are getting into. I don't think any handgun is inherently inaccurate for the most part especially at normal engagement ranges. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but magnums over .41 caliber tend to be just as accurate, but require a lot more patience and training to make them perform at optimal levels.
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You are correct.
A better way for me to have put it would have been "I think I shoot the .41 more accurately than the .44 .
My all time favorite N frame was a .45ACP
 
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tnutater said:
You are correct.
A better way for me to have put it would have been "I think I shoot the .41 more accurately than the .44 .
My all time favorite N frame was a .45ACP
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I wasn't necessarily directing that at you. Just more of an observation on the round in particular.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think a lot of people tend to develop the anticipation of recoil and noise dive a .44. Most folks don't have enough trigger time (or patience) with it to get beyond that realm. Hence, it's an inherent "built in" inaccuracy.

Big bore magnums are still a "niche" firearm and I don't believe a lot of people know what they are getting into. I don't think any handgun is inherently inaccurate for the most part especially at normal engagement ranges. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but magnums over .41 caliber tend to be just as accurate, but require a lot more patience and training to make them perform at optimal levels.
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Yup, lots of once fired model 29’s out there. Seems Hollywood didn’t tell them about the recoil of ole Dirty Harrys sixgun.
 
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