Rick Barnes discussion [merged]

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don’t know why it is so important for you. I don’t recall denying that players execute flawlessly. I think I’ve commented that Bailey tends to shoot TN out of games and I’d rather Pons take his offensive positioning to the paint.
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Its not important to me, but with the amount of complaining you do about the anti-Barnes crowd and them pushing their narrative, you're just as bad the other way and this is an example. I wasn't even trying to say anything negative about any individual at all, just that the execution was a disaster. Yet its like you didn't want to admit that for fear someone might equate that to you criticizing Barnes.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Its not important to me, but with the amount of complaining you do about the anti-Barnes crowd and them pushing their narrative, you're just as bad the other way and this is an example. I wasn't even trying to say anything negative about any individual at all, just that the execution was a disaster. Yet its like you didn't want to admit that for fear someone might equate that to you criticizing Barnes.
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You must have no clue about the quantity of Barnes bashing going on. I selectively reply to a tiny part of if, but apparently my responses are having a major impact on you. You’re also reaching with your asinine theories of what I want.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Look in a mirror and you’ll see someone needing help. You’re the one that has twisted CRB’s words.
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I guess numerous media professionals in the state did also. Hell, ESPN reported it also. Greenberg, jalen Rose and others twisted ole Ricky from Hickory's words also. Youre just a sheep for Barnes, admit it. Im not.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
When Tennessee is doing well, which is presently the case just as it was under Pearl, the Vols routinely rank in the top five for attendance. Alabama, conversely, hasn't finished in the top twenty for attendance in the last 25+ years.

Aside from that, you're exactly right. I knew that the schools were rather comparable, despite really thinking that there'd be some kind of trump card that gave UT a clear advantage (aside from attendance and possibly money, though Alabama can clearly afford to match should they choose), but the all-time similarity is truly uncanny. I've never heard of Wimp Sanderson, but his run at Alabama is honestly a more impressive stretch than anything UT has in its back catalog. I'd say that UT post-Buzz has an edge, which is true, but if Nate Oats can build something big at Alabama then he'd have no reason to jump ship for a functionally-identical program.
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U have never heard of Wimp ? U must be young, then. Great coach, had a whole bunch of 6'7-6'10 guys that were absolute studs, a lot of 'em played in the NBA, like Derrick McKey and Robert Horry. Several more but I'm drawing a blank, right now
 
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wmcovol said:
I guess numerous media professionals in the state did also. Hell, ESPN reported it also. Greenberg, jalen Rose and others twisted ole Ricky from Hickory's words also. Youre just a sheep for Barnes, admit it. Im not.
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Yet you can’t find one instance of any supporting your quote that Barnes said UCLA’s offer is the ONLY REASON that he stayed at TN. There wasn’t a follow up question to Barnes in that press conference about what would have happened had TN upped their offer therefore his comment lacks context as well.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don’t know why the high volume Barnes bashing posters can’t accept that. It’s defined by supply/demand and cost/benefit decisions. I think they just like to whine. When Barnes retires the program will be on a solid foundation. That alone is worth the money... TN’s history is dumpster fire after dumpster fire after dumpster fire.
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”Golly, let’s pay $5 mil a year so we can underachieve, yet be on solid footing when Rick Barnes retires.” Sadly, “leaders” at UT having that thought process would surprise absolutely no one.
 
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brockytop said:
”Golly, let’s pay $5 mil a year so we can underachieve, yet be on solid footing when Rick Barnes retires.” Sadly, “leaders” at UT having that thought process would surprise absolutely no one.
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Because it's the correct thinking. Increasing his pay by 1.2 million (it was already 3.5 in 2018) is nothing when you are dealing with P5 revenue. It was a no-brainer coming off of a Swett 16.
 
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wmcovol said:
He said if the buyout was paid he'd be most likely the coach at UCLA. Now that is a direct quote printed in several media outlets across the state. If you want to deny your boytoy didnt say that, fine. But that is the truth. I posted a quote that I recall Lamonte Turner, I believe, told the media when they returned for a team meeting after the UCLA deal went down. Since it wasnt direct, I probably shouldnt have used "" but it was said in one way or another and numerous stories on the web say the same thing.

Then Barnes went into damage control talking about how wooden meant so much to him but the stories from UCLA paints a picture of a guy who ACTUALLY agreed to a deal with them (UCLA says they agreed to pay the salary and the buyout but they withdrew their offer when Brother Rick attempted to up the price to what Tennessee countered) and then tried to hustle more money. Barnes then had to blame it on the buyout to save face. What was he gonna do, he sure couldnt tell the truth. The links are there. Look for them.

REPORT: Rick Barnes Accepted The UCLA Job, Offer Was Pulled When He Asked For More Money
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This particular article with its claims were sketchy at best. Several sources at the time doubted the information within the article, and this author could not verify the claims as truth. In the end, we will never know exactly what took place and what transpired. I have felt from the beginning that Barnes should never have said some of the things he said. Some things are just better left unsaid. It would have saved a lot of people some hurt feelings, but people do what they do for various reasons.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Look. It’s another dumb, made-up narrative.
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I’ll tell you what’s not a made up narrative:
1) Barnes is a classic underachiever. ONCE in 24 tries has a team he coached exceeded their NCAA tourney seeding
2) He’s overpaid for what his teams deliver. A team he‘s coached has won exactly ONE conference tournament in his career; exceeded NCAA tourney seeding ONCE in his career; and it’s been since 1998-1999 since a Barnes coached team won an outright conference regular season title.

Now compare that to coaches making as much money as he does. I’ll wait.
 
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The coaches making the same or more than Barnes are mostly at blue bloods. It’s much easier to win at UK or Duke than at UT.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Because it's the correct thinking. Increasing his pay by 1.2 million (it was already 3.5 in 2018) is nothing when you are dealing with P5 revenue. It was a no-brainer coming off of a Swett 16.
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Barnes’s raise was less than 1% of the UTAD budget. A drop in the bucket and fans squeal like it’s going to bankrupt us
 
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brockytop said:
I’ll tell you what’s not a made up narrative:
1) Barnes is a classic underachiever. ONCE in 24 tries has a team he coached exceeded their NCAA tourney seeding
2) He’s overpaid for what his teams deliver. A team he‘s coached has won exactly ONE conference tournament in his career; exceeded NCAA tourney seeding ONCE in his career; and it’s been since 1998-1999 since a Barnes coached team won an outright conference regular season title.

Now compare that to coaches making as much money as he does. I’ll wait.
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5x national COY. 4x conference championships (in addition to the Big East Tournament championship at freaking Providence versus some of the best teams in NCAA history). 4 different teams taken to the NCAAT (only 2 coaches have 5). TN #1 ranking 4x as long as in the previous history of the program. 700+ wins, top 20 of all time among thousands of coaches. More NCAAT appearances than TN has had in it’s history. 40% of TN’s modern era SECT finals appearances. Signing as many probable top NBA draft picks in 2 years than TN has had in it’s entire history (King #7 and Boerwinkle #4 are the 2 highest EVER). A winning record versus KY. A higher winning percentage at TN than TN’s had in it’s history (despite climbing out of a deep hole as the 3rd TN coach in 3 years). 65% career winning percentage. More FFs and EEs than TN has had in its entire history.
 
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brockytop said:
I’ll tell you what’s not a made up narrative:
1) Barnes is a classic underachiever. ONCE in 24 tries has a team he coached exceeded their NCAA tourney seeding
2) He’s overpaid for what his teams deliver. A team he‘s coached has won exactly ONE conference tournament in his career; exceeded NCAA tourney seeding ONCE in his career; and it’s been since 1998-1999 since a Barnes coached team won an outright conference regular season title.

Now compare that to coaches making as much money as he does. I’ll wait.
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You're going to be mighty disappointed when he is in the Hall.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
5x national COY. 4x conference championships (in addition to the Big East Tournament championship at freaking Providence versus some of the best teams in NCAA history). 4 different teams taken to the NCAAT (only 2 coaches have 5). TN #1 ranking 4x as long as in the previous history of the program. 700+ wins, top 20 of all time among thousands of coaches. More NCAAT appearances than TN has had in it’s history. 40% of TN’s modern era SECT finals appearances. Signing as many probable top NBA draft picks in 2 years than TN has had in it’s entire history (King #7 and Boerwinkle #4 are the 2 highest EVER). A winning record versus KY. A higher winning percentage at TN than TN’s had in it’s history (despite climbing out of a deep hole as the 3rd TN coach in 3 years). 65% career winning percentage. More FFs and EEs than TN has had in its entire history.
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Let me know when he gets beyond the Sweet Sixteen—it hasn’t happened in over a decade.
 
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Barnes may not be an elite coach but he is HOF worthy.

I get some of you are pissed off at the guy but there’s no need to be an selfish a$$ hole about it
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don’t know why the high volume Barnes bashing posters can’t accept that. It’s defined by supply/demand and cost/benefit decisions. I think they just like to whine. When Barnes retires the program will be on a solid foundation. That alone is worth the money... TN’s history is dumpster fire after dumpster fire after dumpster fire.
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I like the "solid foundation" statement. This whole idea that we are doomed when Barnes leaves is silly. We will be able to hire a good coach and Barnes is one of the many reasons why. He is gonna leave us in a better spot than when he took the job.
 
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Barnes benefited from all of the timing and it was outside of his control. UCLA came calling at the perfect time for him. He was fortunate to get his new deal BEFORE the pandemic hit. Without COVID several other coaches would have jumped over him by now.

Those that continue to beat the $5 million drum don’t seem to be aware of simple concepts in economics.

Barnes also gives back. If TN were to overpay anybody he seems like a good choice. The Emerald Youth Foundation says hi.
 
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cardvolfan said:
You're going to be mighty disappointed when he is in the Hall.
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I can’t speak for Brocktop but I couldn’t care less about his HOF career at Texas cause it sure hasn’t been a HOF 6 years at the real UT. Jerry Green did just as much in 4 years (1sweet 16 1conference title) than Barnes has in 6.
 
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