Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[UTSuave’]

Smh and he got an extension here from Fulmer.

You can’t make this level of stupidity **** up

I’m just curious about Fulmers angle like what product did you see Pruitt putting on the field that was worth an extension?..I can see why he promised Tee money but not Pruitt.I mean for a coach who was notorious for “winning “ knew that wasn’t the tennessee way of football and it wasn’t “winning” football.I will never understand why he was so loyal to Pruitt he was a straight loser.

 

[UTSuave’]

You know it's coming...



Thanks, Jimmy.

I got ya jimmy red stick!....right heaaaaa

 

[jakez4ut]

Mr. Hyatt gets it.

 

[head1]

Stars really don’t matter cuz more three or four star players want it more than some 5 star players that’s evident in the NFL the unknowns want it more

 

[Ten_Titans]

Stars really don’t matter cuz more three or four star players want it more than some 5 star players that’s evident in the NFL the unknowns want it more

lol

 

[C-town Vol]

Yep. Kind of tired of the, "Well, if one coach smells bad they all do" narrative.

Dools - panic hire. Totally unqualified. No debate about it. The only thing he had was a blue blood last name. Stayed one year too long.

Botch - panic hire. UT was turned down by many because of staying too long with Dools. Despite that, he had success due to great recruiting, until he didn't and tried to get out and go to UNC. HC and staff turnover and incompetency killed the goose when it ran out of golden eggs.

Cornbread - panic hire. They even had to fire the AD and bring in St. Phillip, who became an evil imposter. Panic hire of an inexperienced AD followed by panic hire of a reach as a HC. What could possibly go wrong? Everything. Continuing to use the previous guy's incompetent QB crashed what chances they had. Cornbread was then able to complete the crashing of the program on his own.

Coach Heupel - best available. New UT admin, new AD, new blood in the department, new approach. Canvassed who was available, picked the best available who happened to be in the new AD's pocket. But actively went after others who said no because Cornbread made too big of mess. Heup is a winner at every stop and as a NC winning player. Offensive genius. Brought his coaching strength with him and hired the best available for the other side of the ball, who are very experienced.

Common denominators for the past decade prior to Heup - panic hires, unproven past as HC, staff turnover, undisciplined play, micromanager at HC. Botch followed a successful Kelly - he never built a program. The micro managing point gets missed a lot. When a micromanager gets moved to a top org leadership position, their inherent tendencies take over and usually cause disasters due to stress and fear based decisioning. In football if the HC is not good at the big picture and letting his guys have fun and ball out - they lose. Just like we have since Kiffin - who overachieved with a crap roster. The assistant coaches are to be the micromanagers and develop the players into the system the HC provides. The HC is to oversee, not take over that responsibility from his staff. What did Cornbread do? Same with Botch and Dools. Berate the assistants and get mired in the position coaching.

To play devil’s advocate...
Heupel has never “built a program” either. He inherited what Frost built.

Having said that, I am more optimistic about Heup than many. The offensive staff having so much experience together, Heup having a strong offense at Mizzou, a complete tear down / rebrand of Vol football, taking a unique route instead of trying to beat Bama/UGA at their own game...

But none of us know the outcome of this. Time will tell...as frustrating as that may be.

 

[MarcoVol]

/ rebrand of Vol football, taking a unique route instead of trying to beat Bama/UGA at their own game...

Yes yes yes

 

[drvenner]

I got ya jimmy red stick!....right heaaaaa

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Hey, this is A PG 13 site, Jiminy.

 

[C-town Vol]

Yes yes yes

I’m all in on being the Oregon of the SEC. I know we are a historic program (Top 10 in wins), and the tendency is to turn our nose up at having to go a “gimmick” route...

But let’s play really fast, score a lot of points, and wear crazy uniform combinations.

You never know, that route may lead to huge recruiting success if we can change the narrative of Vol football into fun and cool.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

not being flippant...have you visitied these places? MT is by far the most beautiful off all the Western States. Ted Turner, Bozeman.

Recall buying a RT ticket to fly into Jackson in early 2000's > $180.00.

My first time there. What occured was how expensive everything was. $1,000,000 for an acre in Wilson, not even on the Snake. I'm sure its much crazier now.

Wonder what homesteading laws are these days?

Separate thought, there are private companies that buy up conservation lands in order to preserve, or, sell to US Govt. Sometimes lands dont meet their criteria. What ive found is those parcels go for very fair market value.

Have yet to go to Montana or Utah, but have been all over Wyoming and Co.
Currently living vicariously thru Instagram Jeep pages, etc.
Wife and I have talked about it for a few years, and getting to the point where we can actually make a move for the right place.
Came across a show the other day called “Living Big Sky”. Watched about 12 episodes of folks searching for property out there.
Planning a trip to take our boys out west next summer for 2-3 weeks as well to look around more.
I’ll be damned if I live my life out in WV where there’s only 3-4 decent months out of the year, and rain from Sept-May

 

[Volbucky]

I’ve been scouring Zillow and other sites for property out there (Utah and Montana) and I’m suffering some serious price shock!! Doesn’t seem to be anything with 25+ acres for much under 2m!

Look for ground not around public hunting land and with low tillable/ income and you’ll find better prices. Of course unless those things are what you are looking for. I dabble in recreational/ hunting land sales in Midwest and some waterfront stuff in south Florida.

Buy land, they don’t make it anymore -Mark Twain

 

[Jackcrevol]

Have yet to go to Montana or Utah, but have been all over Wyoming and Co.
Currently living vicariously thru Instagram Jeep pages, etc.
Wife and I have talked about it for a few years, and getting to the point where we can actually make a move for the right place.
Came across a show the other day called “Living Big Sky”. Watched about 12 episodes of folks searching for property out there.
Planning a trip to take our boys out west next summer for 2-3 weeks as well to look around more.
I’ll be damned if I live my life out in WV where there’s only 3-4 decent months out of the year, and rain from Sept-May

Snows in July & August in MT. It's more Canadien than American, temp wise.

Big Sky is where the rich play. Bozeman is a small college town. But north of Jackson. Still takes money or affluence to live there.

People talk about how amazing WY, CO, UT, NM, et al are. It's MT.

If you truly are looking. Check out Billings Clean city surrounded by, mountains. Plenty of lakes close by if you ski, canoe, kayak.

Its a completely different mind set. Just be prepared, you wont leave. I love it and miss it.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Look for ground not around public hunting land and with low tillable/ income and you’ll find better prices. Of course unless those things are what you are looking for. I dabble in recreational/ hunting land sales in Midwest and some waterfront stuff in south Florida.

Buy land, they don’t make it anymore -Mark Twain

Twain. Fav author, nice choice

 

[Batman1948]

Pull a Bowden , go undefeated , and be ineligible?

I am okay with this.

Play every game like it's your bowl game

 

[UTMVol76]

Snows in July & August in MT. It's more Canadien than American, temp wise.

Big Sky is where the rich play. Bozeman is a small college town. But north of Jackson. Still takes money or affluence to live there.

People talk about how amazing WY, CO, UT, NM, et al are. It's MT.

If you truly are looking. Check out Billings Clean city surrounded by, mountains. Plenty of lakes close by if you ski, canoe, kayak.

Its a completely different mind set. Just be prepared, you wont leave. I love it and miss it.

Lived in Montana for 10 years growing up and recreated in the Bighorn mountains of Wyoming 3x a summer for a week each time. Amazing things to see and do. Almost died by moose.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Yep. Kind of tired of the, "Well, if one coach smells bad they all do" narrative.

Dools - panic hire. Totally unqualified. No debate about it. The only thing he had was a blue blood last name. Stayed one year too long.

Botch - panic hire. UT was turned down by many because of staying too long with Dools. Despite that, he had success due to great recruiting, until he didn't and tried to get out and go to UNC. HC and staff turnover and incompetency killed the goose when it ran out of golden eggs.

Cornbread - panic hire. They even had to fire the AD and bring in St. Phillip, who became an evil imposter. Panic hire of an inexperienced AD followed by panic hire of a reach as a HC. What could possibly go wrong? Everything. Continuing to use the previous guy's incompetent QB crashed what chances they had. Cornbread was then able to complete the crashing of the program on his own.

Coach Heupel - best available. New UT admin, new AD, new blood in the department, new approach. Canvassed who was available, picked the best available who happened to be in the new AD's pocket. But actively went after others who said no because Cornbread made too big of mess. Heup is a winner at every stop and as a NC winning player. Offensive genius. Brought his coaching strength with him and hired the best available for the other side of the ball, who are very experienced.

Common denominators for the past decade prior to Heup - panic hires, unproven past as HC, staff turnover, undisciplined play, micromanager at HC. Botch followed a successful Kelly - he never built a program. The micro managing point gets missed a lot. When a micromanager gets moved to a top org leadership position, their inherent tendencies take over and usually cause disasters due to stress and fear based decisioning. In football if the HC is not good at the big picture and letting his guys have fun and ball out - they lose. Just like we have since Kiffin - who overachieved with a crap roster. The assistant coaches are to be the micromanagers and develop the players into the system the HC provides. The HC is to oversee, not take over that responsibility from his staff. What did Cornbread do? Same with Botch and Dools. Berate the assistants and get mired in the position coaching.

Couldn't get the defense lined up. Big indicator that there was something very wrong with the Gump. I wonder how many timeouts were wasted on that alone. Heupel will save them to score again.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Lived in Montana for 10 years growing up and recreated in the Bighorn mountains of Wyoming 3x a summer for a week each time. Amazing things to see and do. Almost died by moose.

visited Bighorn side of WY. Little bit more down to Earth.

Visited Spearfish, Badlands.

A bit rural for my liking but a Sportsmans paradise.

 

[Jack Burton]

I feel like we say the same thing every time. With Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, now JH. This is another experiment hope this one turns out better

It is the same. It could all work out but most likely will not. The league is just too tough and 3 of our annual rivals are so many steps ahead.

We need the right coach along with some luck and an upheaval among our rivals.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

Snows in July & August in MT. It's more Canadien than American, temp wise.

Big Sky is where the rich play. Bozeman is a small college town. But north of Jackson. Still takes money or affluence to live there.

People talk about how amazing WY, CO, UT, NM, et al are. It's MT.

If you truly are looking. Check out Billings Clean city surrounded by, mountains. Plenty of lakes close by if you ski, canoe, kayak.

Its a completely different mind set. Just be prepared, you wont leave. I love it and miss it.

Been looking quite a bit around grand junction, and steam boat.
Just now familiarizing myself with parts of Montana, and Utah.
I would love to find land to build on and start looking at some of the things you mentioned.
Biggest thing for us is getting out there and visiting a place we would be ok with having a home. It’s just far too beautiful out there to not enjoy it. We can deal with the rough winters. Don’t mind snow and cold, just can’t stand 35, rainy and muddy here 6 mos of the year!

 

[Jack Burton]

Stars really don’t matter cuz more three or four star players want it more than some 5 star players that’s evident in the NFL the unknowns want it more

Stars absolutely matter, but they have to be developed, and lead by great coaching. We haven’t had stars + development + coaching in years. We may not have that now.

 

[GiggerVol]

Lived in Montana for 10 years growing up and recreated in the Bighorn mountains of Wyoming 3x a summer for a week each time. Amazing things to see and do. Almost died by moose.

Did you meet Rocky and Bullwinkle?

 

[GiggerVol]

Stars absolutely matter, but they have to be developed, and lead by great coaching. We haven’t had stars + development + coaching in years. We may not have that now.

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine, Catbone?

 

[T Dog]

Snows in July & August in MT. It's more Canadien than American, temp wise.

Big Sky is where the rich play. Bozeman is a small college town. But north of Jackson. Still takes money or affluence to live there.

People talk about how amazing WY, CO, UT, NM, et al are. It's MT.

If you truly are looking. Check out Billings Clean city surrounded by, mountains. Plenty of lakes close by if you ski, canoe, kayak.

Its a completely different mind set. Just be prepared, you wont leave. I love it and miss it.

What about Alaska. I want to go there before I die and catch a salmon and cook it fresh right there. My 1 goal.

 

[T Dog]

And does anyone know if you have to have a passport to drive up to Alaska. If you don't have one guess you gotta fly?

 

[Jack Burton]

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine, Catbone?

To put it in perspective, I disliked the Butch hire, and hated the Pruitt hire. With Heupel, I sorta like it. I mean, that’s a positive development right?