UCF expert weighs in on Heupel

[uncle chewii]

Need more than that to change my opinion. Thanks tho.

That's your right. I do know our boosters are tight with money. Reports were franklin wanted more that we wanted to pay.

 

[uncle chewii]

Franklin was never coming here. He wanted a bigger salary, so he could go back to Penn State and demand more money from them. That's all there is to it.

Coaches at this level aren't going to quibble over the money for a job they want. Franklin has said Penn State is his dream job before. He was never leaving. Just wanted a raise.

Then we're was his raise.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

No link. I just know

Gotta love it.

 

[PNW Huskie]

We went bargain hunting with Dooley and Butch. After they annihilated the program, we were talking to some pretty big time players. But, after the Schiano mess, we fire the AD, hire Fulmer, and Fulmer hires Pruitt quickly, to bring some stability. Now, the program is such a mess, that no one wants the job. Unless you count Hugh Freeze and Lane Kiffen. But, The University will never hire either of them.
Josh Heupel is going to be the HFC for at least 6 years. Period.

If he's here 6 years it will mean the hire was successful. If the hire is a failure he'll get 4, maybe 5 max. I wish he's here 6 years and I hope you're right.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Those fans are clueless and spoiled. They think going 13-0 / 12 -1 is a normal thing for teams every year

That's what I'm hoping.

The whole "regression" story is a bit silly, because it's an impossible standard to expect someone to maintain 13-0 at a G5 school. And G5 schools tend to be more suspectible to huge fluctuations in performance based on level of experience of the players. Not that unusual for a great G5 coach to have a 12-1 year followed by a 5-7 year, then followed by a 10-3 year. So the fact that Heupel went 6-4 the past year isn't necessarily a huge issue (especially considering how close most of his losses were).

But we still have no clue how his results at UCF translate to the SEC. Reasons to be optimistic, but also a lot of unknowns.

 

[Steve_Smith89]

That's what I'm hoping.

The whole "regression" story is a bit silly, because it's an impossible standard to expect someone to maintain 13-0 at a G5 school. And G5 schools tend to be more suspectible to huge fluctuations in performance based on level of experience of the players. Not that unusual for a great G5 coach to have a 12-1 year followed by a 5-7 year, then followed by a 10-3 year. So the fact that Heupel went 6-4 the past year isn't necessarily a huge issue (especially considering how close most of his losses were).

But we still have no clue how his results at UCF translate to the SEC. Reasons to be optimistic, but also a lot of unknowns.

James Franklin went 4-5 last year and people on here are still ready to crown him lol

 

[ric1958]

That's your right. I do know our boosters are tight with money. Reports were franklin wanted more that we wanted to pay.

What reports? Do you have a link?

 

[Steve_Smith89]

What reports? Do you have a link?

James Franklin lets his players rape each other in the locker room

 

[kbear01]

That's what I'm hoping.

The whole "regression" story is a bit silly, because it's an impossible standard to expect someone to maintain 13-0 at a G5 school. And G5 schools tend to be more suspectible to huge fluctuations in performance based on level of experience of the players. Not that unusual for a great G5 coach to have a 12-1 year followed by a 5-7 year, then followed by a 10-3 year. So the fact that Heupel went 6-4 the past year isn't necessarily a huge issue (especially considering how close most of his losses were).

But we still have no clue how his results at UCF translate to the SEC. Reasons to be optimistic, but also a lot of unknowns.

We just need to stop thinking in terms of "How do we beat Bama". Not gonna happen for another decade. As a matter of fact, I wouldnt be surprised if Bama drops us, as a yearly rivalry.

 

[butchna]

That's your right. I do know our boosters are tight with money. Reports were franklin wanted more that we wanted to pay.

Reports/rumors/whatevs. Message board science. Allz I gleaned from the Franklin RUMORS is that we offered him $8 mil per for 5 years. Only a contrived world calls that “cheap”.

 

[butchna]

James Franklin lets his players rape each other in the locker room

“And Dr. Joyce Brothers...after the game!”

 

[TJVol95]

Q&A with Black and Gold Banneret: What to expect from Josh Heupel and Danny White at Tennessee

Don’t care! Always drama at UT! Win some games!!!!!

 

[kbear01]

Reports said he wanted to be the highest paid coach in all of sports. The highest paid of all sports.

That's not happening

For what? He'd better get his **** together at PSU, before he starts asking for those numbers. He hasnt even won a Big 10 Championship yet! LMAO

 

[Steve_Smith89]

For what? He'd better get his **** together at PSU, before he starts asking for those numbers. He hasnt even won a Big 10 Championship yet! LMAO

Posturing for a higher salary at Penn State probably. Dude is a bullshitter I doubt he even considered accepting the job.

 

[IndianaVol]

Not sure if Danny White said no or if Franklin said no, but from Tennessee's perspective we were smart not throwing 10 mill a yr at anyone without knowing for certain the circumstances we will find ourselves.

You see what it is to go 4 mill a yr and cut someone loose after 3 years...imagine what it would be at 10 a year...

 

[PEPPERJAX]

That's not the most encouraging thing I've read.

Heupel has a better track record than Pruitt, Dooley, Kiffin, and even Butch Jones before being hired, but he's still an unknown quantity to some extent. Hope this isn't true.

My biggest concern is his defenses. Seems like the typical Air Raid offense that scores a bunch of points, but D struggles. He's going to have to have a functional D to win in the SEC. He's also going to have to recruit at a very high level. You can't get #20 ranked classes and win the SEC.

JH needs to bring in a solid DC for sure. We all know he has a good mind for offense. I have my doubts he Will be able To land top 12 classes nationally and top six in the SEC unless he hires some absolute beasts on the recruiting trail. Hopefully he can get it done.

 

[tnutater]

We just need to stop thinking in terms of "How do we beat Bama". Not gonna happen for another decade. As a matter of fact, I wouldnt be surprised if Bama drops us, as a yearly rivalry.

I doubt any other East team would like to take over our position as bama's annual cross division game.

 

[cgrish]

Price wasn’t too high...he turned us down.

He making 5 mil a year, how much u think it would have took to get him? More than I would would want to pay

 

[butchna]

He making 5 mil a year, how much u think it would have took to get him? More than I would would want to pay

Rumor was $8 mil a year sitting on that table.

 

[kbear01]

I doubt any other East team would like to take over our position as bama's annual cross division game.

Well, at this point, we only hurt Bama's Strength of Schedule.

 

[kbear01]

If he's here 6 years it will mean the hire was successful. If the hire is a failure he'll get 4, maybe 5 max. I wish he's here 6 years and I hope you're right.

Honestly, I just hope in six years we are at least having consistent winning seasons. My expectations have left the building.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

He turned us down because we wouldn't come up with the money. Boosters didn't want to write the check.

The money wasn't the deciding factor. We'd gone high enough to make him one of the top 5 highest paid men in college football (he's not even in the top 10 right now). He knew it was enough. He just wasn't ready to put himself in a position to fail early on, given sanctions ahead, when he's already in a good place at a Power 5 program that he has more than once called his dream job. I mean, the man grew up two hours from Happy Valley. That's where his clan is, his heart is. Of course he wasn't going to leave for a massive rebuild job 500 miles and 5 states away.

It was always a longshot for Danny White to go out and bring Franklin to Knoxville. One has to believe Danny knew that before he even started, but given Franklin's proven ability to build success quickly at broken places (Vandy, post-Sandusky Penn State), he had to take the shot.

 

[Vol524]

That's what I'm hoping.

The whole "regression" story is a bit silly, because it's an impossible standard to expect someone to maintain 13-0 at a G5 school. And G5 schools tend to be more suspectible to huge fluctuations in performance based on level of experience of the players. Not that unusual for a great G5 coach to have a 12-1 year followed by a 5-7 year, then followed by a 10-3 year. So the fact that Heupel went 6-4 the past year isn't necessarily a huge issue (especially considering how close most of his losses were).

But we still have no clue how his results at UCF translate to the SEC. Reasons to be optimistic, but also a lot of unknowns.

That would be true of ANY coach that comes to UT from outside of the SEC. I don't think it is fair to say he regressed when a lot of his key players opted out of this past season. I do believe we will score a lot more points than we have in the past. I just pray he sees the need for a strong defense in the SEC.

 

[jasonvol18]

James Franklin went 4-5 last year and people on here are still ready to crown him lol

Lol..Exactly..But are 8itching about a HC that was 28-8 in 3 yrs and top 5-10 Offense's every stop he's had, including Mizzou. Some fans are gonna moan and groan because they can.

 

[jhen713]

He turned us down because we wouldn't come up with the money. Boosters didn't want to write the check.

At some point you just have to say he ain't worth it. If they offered 7-8mil and Franklin sad no, not DWs fault. Especially if he was asking for 10. Franklin ain't worth that. I'd rather have Heupel at 4mil than Franklin at 7.