SIAP....First coaches expected to be added to staff...

#51
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JoAllan said:
I’m with you, but it’s almost February.......let’s be realistic, he ain’t bringing in a “top” staff in February.

Tennessee got on this “way” too late for a coach to have the best “chance” for 1st year success.

Not saying it won’t happen......but just by the time frame it made it much harder.
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Agreed. It’s just in my opinion this type of staff isn’t gonna get it done. Maybe they will be one year deals and we get upgrades. I am optimistic about Heupel, but if these are his staff picks then IMO this is a red flag.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Those guys could recruit.
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And yet we were 3-7 with such good recruits. Im willing to bet an all UCF staff will get more out of the kids on the roster compared to the last staff. Doesnt matter if the roster is loaded with 5*'s, if they have no direction, crap scheme, horrible coaching, they are going to be bad. Last year a great example
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
The TE and OL coach are great additions. Don't know much about the QB coach.
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I remember when he played at Oklahoma. His QBs don’t suck is the best bullet point on his resume. How much of that is him vs Heupel remains for the seen thing. But if the HC values him it’s his call. I know I know...echoes of Pruitt and Weinke. 😏
 
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landscapingvol said:
We know why Neids was recruiting well so that is irrelevant; Graham could recruit well. However Chaney, Friend, Osovet, and Weinke were not good recruiters
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Osovet was pretty damn good! Even as an analyst. Willis was more the result of his work than anybody else and more northeastern talent (including VA) was listening to us.
 
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MiramarVol said:
What's wrong with Shannon? 2019 UCF led the country in tackles for loss (9.0 per game). This past season his defense led the nation in fumbles recovered with 13 and ranked sixth in the country in forced turnovers with 22. He's won three national championships as a coach and a player. While defensive coordinator for the Hurricanes, his defenses ranked in the top 10 in the nation in five of six seasons. While at UF, his defense ranked fifth in the nation in total defense in 2016, allowing just 293.0 yards per game, and also the second-best pass defense in the country, allowing opponents 148.5 yards per game.

So, your problem couldn't be coaching. You make it sound like he's garbage.
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I hope he brings Randy Shannon with him. Guy can flat out coach defense with SEC caliber players...his defenses are legit.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Agreed. It’s just in my opinion this type of staff isn’t gonna get it done. Maybe they will be one year deals and we get upgrades. I am optimistic about Heupel, but if these are his staff picks then IMO this is a red flag.
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I’m on board with Heupel for now......however I’m with you. I don’t see how a mostly UCF staff “could” work in the SEC.

O line, And DC to me will be key.

He needs a good O line for his system, and partly because of his system and it’s the SEC he certainly needs to get more out of his defense.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
That's a shame and the first misstep IMO with Heupel's staff. To me, Steele was a no-brainer to keep. He was already used to being DC juxtaposed to a high tempo offense. He would've been a good fit. Now I have to wonder who Heupel can get.
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Not to mention that UT now is on the hook for CKS' salary, $900,000 - CJH pushing Steele out is a big mistake in my opinion not just for the financial ramifications but for his SEC defense experience, recruiting, UT ties, etc. just to mention a few things that he brought to the table.

GBO - beat Ole Miss!
 
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JoAllan said:
...I don’t see how a mostly UCF staff “could” work in the SEC....
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Of course it could ... if they are good coaches.

You don't really coach SEC players in a different way. They are just better players. They have to be taught, encouraged, motivated. etc, in the same way an AAC player needs those things.

The difference is recruiting. Coaches new to recruiting in the top P5 conferences have to learn to recognize that the standard is a lot higher. You can't coach size, strength and speed. As long as they can target and acquire the right kind of players, there's no reason they can't be successful.
 
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JoAllan said:
I’m on board with Heupel for now......however I’m with you. I don’t see how a mostly UCF staff “could” work in the SEC.

O line, And DC to me will be key.

He needs a good O line for his system, and partly because of his system and it’s the SEC he certainly needs to get more out of his defense.
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Glen Elarbee is a legit O-line coach. His O-lines are always solid. From the UCF coaches site....

Elarbee came to UCF after coaching the offensive line at Missouri (while working with Josh Heupel) for two seasons in 2016-17. His line at Mizzou helped the Tigers to 2017 national ranks of No. 7 in total offense, No. 7 in sacks allowed, No. 10 in scoring offense, No. 14 in passing offense, No. 21 in first downs, No. 23 in red zone offense and No. 35 in rushing offense. Elarbee took over a Tiger offensive line in 2016 that had no returning starters and molded that group into one of the top lines in the nation. In 2016, Missouri was No. 13 in total offense, No. 20 in passing offense, No. 38 in rushing offense and No. 48 in scoring offense after the Tigers were no higher than No. 113 in those categories the year before. His 2016 unit led the nation in fewest tackles-for-loss allowed and were No. 16 in fewest sacks allowed.

Elarbee’s first year in Orlando in 2018 was highlighted by one of the best offensive lines in program history, as the Knights repeated their undefeated regular season and won a second straight American Athletic Conference Championship. UCF set the program rushing record with 3,448 yards on the ground behind a powerful line, which was the eighth-best ground attack in the country. UCF totaled 522.7 yards of total offense per game, good for fifth nationally. The Knights also excelled in pass protection with just 19 sacks allowed all season, which ranked 25th nationally.

In 2019 UCF again had one of the most productive offenses in the nation. The Knights averaged 540.5 total yards (second in the nation and an all-time UCF single-season record) and 43.4 points per outing (fifth nationally). The offensive line helped protect freshman quarterback Dillon Gabriel who played a major role in UCF ranking eighth with its 316.7 passing yards per game. A diversified Knights’ rush attack (ranking 19th nationally) saw the top four runners—Otis Anderson, Adrian Killins, Bentavious Thompson and Greg McCrae--combine for 2,488 yards, 27 TDs and an amazing average of 6.46 yards per carry.
 
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#74
You gotta keep Steele ..offer him DC and control of it .. he is under contract 450,000 for 2 years ..if he says NO your off the hook for the money ..its a NO BRAINER .. if he styas good ..you have a good DC and recruiter ..if not money saved ....
 
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