Were we wrong? I thought it was the Haslam’s fault.

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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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The writing was on the wall for Pittsburgh since week 11. They were playing terrible and had 1 good half the last 4-5 games of the season. That carried into the post season. There's a reason that division had 3 teams in the playoffs. Every one of them got 4 games against the worst division in the NFL, by far. The Browns played 6 teams with a winning record and 4 of them were in their own division. Titans and Colts are the only 2 that they played with a winning record outside of that. They had to have one of the easiest paths to the playoffs in the NFL this year.
 
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clarencepeabody said:
I’ve never understood the Haslam hate. If it weren’t for them, and their donations, we wouldn’t have anywhere near the facilities we do. And I’ve only met Jimmy a couple times (never met Bill), but Big Jim Haslam is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met.

And yet, people on here slam them constantly. Just don’t get it.
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I preferred our older, more primitive (and larger) set-up. And fancying things up haven't helped performance.
 
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Roustabout said:
He was winning at Rutgers. I even posted his stats for his last seven years.

Win the SEC? Dude, we suck monkey balls and you are talking about winning the SEC? We aren’t comparing Schiano to Saban. I’m comparing him to Pruitt, because like it or not, that’s who we got after one of the most absurd and embarrassing coaching searches in the history of college football.

This is the level of delusion we are dealing with. I’m saying we’d be better off right now if Schiano had been hired. Period. Get it?
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71-73 isn’t winning. He’s a loser. Loser at Rutgers. Loser in NFL. All his players hated him. And that’s without the kid rape scandal
 
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beamerman said:
Still no to Schiano. If he was a great coach why was he not hired at OSU? No thanks.
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I didn’t say he was a great coach. He’s a better coach than Beldar Skoalcan.

I wouldnt measure the UT and OSU jobs on anywhere near the same level. I think this belays my point. UT fans have no concept of reality as to the state of the program and who will take this job.
I’m not sure why this is so hard for some of you to get.

Better off now with Pruitt or Schiano? I say Schiano and I’ve not heard one argument to the contrary.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
71-73 isn’t winning. He’s a loser. Loser at Rutgers. Loser in NFL. All his players hated him. And that’s without the kid rape scandal
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That’s because of his first 2 years. Contrast that with his last 7 years. Rutgers was a perennial 3 win team. They were 14-64 from 1996-2002. You’ve basically said context doesn’t matter.
 
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Carp said:
That implies the only options were either Schiano or Pruitt. Clearly that wasn't the case. Hell, even Mike Leach was offered the position and was going to take it before rescinding the offer. And that ignores the fact that there were literally countless other candidates that were available to be hired.
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I literally covered a number of other coaching prospects in the post. Can you not read?
 
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Roustabout said:
I literally covered a number of other coaching prospects in the post. Can you not read?
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I can read perfectly. Apparently you simply can't or won't comprehend. Even if we only interviewed 2 people, that doesn't mean we only had 2 options.
 
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Carp said:
I can read perfectly. Apparently you simply can't or won't comprehend. Even if we only interviewed 2 people, that doesn't mean we only had 2 options.
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So you like strawmen? Got it. UT didn’t just interview two people and I said as much.
I plainly stated they looked at other options. They’re top two were Mullen and Kelly who both said no and took other jobs that same week. I pointed out that Schiano was a “in the bag” back up plan to avoid a drawn out search. If you recall they had a pretty messy search before they hired Jones. So, they settled on Schiano only after making overtures on other coaches that took other jobs.
 
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Nasavol said:
Honest question, can I get an honest answer, do you really think that Schiano didn’t know anything about the Sandusky sexual assaults? Do you think Paterno did?
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They all knew.....if something like that was happening at a job with that many people intertwined in a locker room setting it would be impossible. There would’ve been rumors galore at the least and it would progress. Why in the hell would you even risk that hire????
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Big Jim is a crook and is NOT nice. See how he treats his underlings sometimes. He’s a huge p****
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Granted, my experience with him has only been in a handful of situations, but I’ve seen him walk up to several “underlings” at PFJ, and make small talk, asked about their husband/wife, remembered the names of their kids, that sort of thing. I’m not one of his employees, but a friend of mine is, and speaks very highly of him.
 
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DougAtkins91 said:
My earlier post will answer that. On this board rt now our fans hate everyone from Majors, Fulmer, Tee Martin, Freeze, Malzhan, Coastal Coach , and others I forgot. The fans at Tennessee just hate everyone. Their is no single person left they don’t hate! It’s really quite sad!
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Man, this is the truth. I’ve been a UT fan my whole life, but this message board shows me how unhappy a lot of people truly are.
 
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Roustabout said:
I didn’t say he was a great coach. He’s a better coach than Beldar Skoalcan.

I wouldnt measure the UT and OSU jobs on anywhere near the same level. I think this belays my point. UT fans have no concept of reality as to the state of the program and who will take this job.
I’m not sure why this is so hard for some of you to get.

Better off now with Pruitt or Schiano? I say Schiano and I’ve not heard one argument to the contrary.
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I felt the hire of Pruitt in Dec 2017 was better than the potential hire of Schiano, all things considered. Three years later, it’s debatable, but I still prefer Pruitt. That doesn’t mean I’m happy with Pruitt now.

Pruitt is 10-16 in the SEC while rebuilding. He followed a coach that had run the team in the gutter with an 0-8 SEC record, and left very little upperclassmen talent.

I doubt Schiano would have done better here in W/L. Fortunately we’ll never know. We do know he would have brought the baggage here from PSU. Maybe unwarranted, but baggage nevertheless. Plus, he has a reputation as a prick. Don’t think that would have played well at UT, or on the recruiting trail in the dog-eat-dog SEC. Pass.
 
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I doubt they’re the only boosters or group for that matter who caused all of this. If the old money boosters I’ve personally met had anything to do with it, I’m not surprised Tn has turned out like they have. I meet a lot of people very successful in their industries and I wouldn’t trust them to coach a pee-wee game much less a coaching hire. Money doesn’t equal superiority of knowledge or ability. Let’s hope these guys learn something from all of this.
 
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Roustabout said:
So you like strawmen? Got it. UT didn’t just interview two people and I said as much.
I plainly stated they looked at other options. They’re top two were Mullen and Kelly who both said no and took other jobs that same week. I pointed out that Schiano was a “in the bag” back up plan to avoid a drawn out search. If you recall they had a pretty messy search before they hired Jones. So, they settled on Schiano only after making overtures on other coaches that took other jobs.
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Again, you aren't picking up what I'm saying. It doesn't matter how many guys were actually interviewed. Those people weren't the only options available.
 
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Roustabout said:
That’s because of his first 2 years. Contrast that with his last 7 years. Rutgers was a perennial 3 win team. They were 14-64 from 1996-2002. You’ve basically said context doesn’t matter.
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So only some years matter gotcha🙄 the guy was rivaled by Butch Jones and had ONe decent season where he had a NFL RB and weak schedule and still didn’t do anything of note
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So only some years matter gotcha🙄 the guy was rivaled by Butch Jones and had ONe decent season where he had a NFL RB and weak schedule and still didn’t do anything of note
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We count Barnes first two years don’t we?
Don’t be an idiot. It’s Rutgers. Schiano’s first two years greatly set him back in record because he took over a team that was wretched. He had them to 11 wins in 06. And a very respectable record over his final seven seasons.
 
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VolsSince78 said:
I felt the hire of Pruitt in Dec 2017 was better than the potential hire of Schiano, all things considered. Three years later, it’s debatable, but I still prefer Pruitt. That doesn’t mean I’m happy with Pruitt now.

Pruitt is 10-16 in the SEC while rebuilding. He followed a coach that had run the team in the gutter with an 0-8 SEC record, and left very little upperclassmen talent.

I doubt Schiano would have done better here in W/L. Fortunately we’ll never know. We do know he would have brought the baggage here from PSU. Maybe unwarranted, but baggage nevertheless. Plus, he has a reputation as a prick. Don’t think that would have played well at UT, or on the recruiting trail in the dog-eat-dog SEC. Pass.
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Yes, Pruitt is such a media darling.

The guy who challenged Mark Richt to a fist fight.
 
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Roustabout said:
We count Barnes first two years don’t we?
Don’t be an idiot. It’s Rutgers. Schiano’s first two years greatly set him back in record because he took over a team that was wretched. He had them to 11 wins in 06. And a very respectable record over his final seven seasons.
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One season in 12 years he went 11-2 against a cream puff schedule? So what? The other 11 seasons he lost between 4-11 games against the same weak schedules
lost to Butch. Never finished higher than 3rd in a weak weak conference
 
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Nasavol said:
I only asked the question to reiterate why there was uproar over the hire. The Sandusky atrocity was still somewhat fresh.
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Reiterating the uproar is like even though you remember how how badly a recipe tasted, you cook it to savor it again. And I hope this is the last time I type Sandusky. Because the topic was brought up, I revisited reading about it again. And it felt disgusting before the pages loaded. But I am certain that was just a convenient reason to avoid making what most thought was a bad fit hire. Even so, the more we discuss it, the more it vicariously links Tennessee to that whole scandal. If we are so frustrated with Pruitt that we are revisiting Schiano? Hell, we might as well bring in a descendant of Jim Jones as team chaplain. Or instead of having a blue tick hound as a mascot, replace him with a few skunks. it might smell better than talking about this.
 
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