Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

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05_never_again said:
How exactly was Doug Dickey able to keep all the boosters and admin people on the same page? I've heard that for years, but how exactly did he do it?

Was it because of the pre-existing reputation he had as a coach at Tennessee and Florida? If so, why doesn't Fulmer have the same effect? Fulmer was an even more successful coach than Dickey was, and has been a Tennessee lifer which Dickey was not.
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Dickey had power that was gained because of his past but also because the AD functioned so well under him. You didn’t question his decisions because he’d made so many right ones and was smart enough to leave a highly successful women’s AD alone. He got football what it needed to win and people trusted his judgment there bc he’d been a coach and new what coaches needed. Fulmer was able to do a lot of that early on in terms of getting Pruitt tons of support and even picking up the slack to ensure Pruitt had a chance to succeed despite his inexperience. That all actuality worked out ok for a while and probably would’ve continued to work had Fulmer not had a prebuilt group that was always waiting for the right moment to undermine him (Dickey didn’t have to deal with that).

Although I can’t disagree more with what folks are saying Fulmer’s opinion on Pruitt is I think it would be a mistake to push both of them out. We need someone like Fulmer who still can get things done for football and who can keep one particular side from having all of the power but Fulmer can only do so much. Some other folks are going to have to stick their necks out from time to time if we are to keep improving football at the top of the to do list. We have technocrats to handle the business end of the things and if we need to add a check to Fulmer that’s fine too but we need his pull to help coaches get the things they need. I know it’s all the rage to allow someone with a random business degree to run an AD but 1. We don’t have an AD that functions that way and 2. The ones we had prior have done worse jobs.

All of this should’ve become moot as Fulmer should’ve been replaced after he staunched the bleeding but our factions were flat out afraid to lose out on getting their guy in and found Fulmer acceptable enough. No one anticipated Pruitt tanking so badly in year 3 when we’d been on an upward swing with him (especially with defense going from the bottom of CFB to the top 25 last season).
 
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Serious Question: If he is fired what makes you think Fulmer makes a good hire?
Randy Sanders
Dave Clawson
3 DC's as finalist Pruitt, Tucker, Steele

Newsflash: All that Fulmer success was with Cutcliffe who is 3x the coach Fulmer is. Take a look at Fulmer's record without Cut...it's not that impressive. There is no doubt Fulmer loves TN...he just isn't that impressive.

FYI: Boyd is why Barnes stayed...Fulmer was ok with letting him walk.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Thoughts on this? I think there is some merit for sure?
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Excuse me, what? "No one has built one"

2017 - first ESD

Cincinnati hires Fickell 2017, 35-14 with only his first season being less than 9 wins, has back to back 11 win seasons that's not "built?"
Iowa State hires Campbell in 2016, 35-28 with 4 straight 7 win seasons, that's in the Big 12 at Iowa State program has 20 total 7 win seasons, Campbell is responsible for 4 of them and is 1 of only 2 coaches to win 9 games there...I mean it's not Bama or Clemson, but that's pretty built
Texas A&M hires Jimbo and he's won at least 8 games every year he's been there with this season's 9-1 team arguably being more deserving of the CFP than 2 of the teams selected above them...isn't that pretty built?
Georgia hires Kirby and he's had 3 straight 11 win or better seasons, not built?
Florida hires Mullen and he's had 8 or better all 3 seasons, and back to back 10 win seasons
UHC hires Mack Brown and he's won 7 or better in both seasons, with this year being the first time they've been ranked top 5 since Mack's last tenure there

I just don't buy that, unless your definition of "built" is being Bama/Clemson...which to be fair can't happen while those programs exist. To me building a program means competing for conference titles every year or being within a game of it.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
If Fulmer is leading the search, Fulmer will almost 100% go talk to Marrone first and then Steele. Like it or not, that is what he knows.

If those don't work out and get the green light, then i can see them kicking the tires on the Herman's and Gus's of the coaching world.

After that who knows.
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Let's hope it isn't up to him. Because I fear that you are right
 
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BruinVol said:
well that sure sounds like we didn’t want him to leave and were going to renew him
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I am not sure you can say that with 100% accuracy.

It is certainly one possibility.

The other is that they were not going to renew him and saw an opportunity to collect on a contract instead of being on the paying end of a contract.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
If Fulmer is leading the search, Fulmer will almost 100% go talk to Marrone first and then Steele. Like it or not, that is what he knows.

If those don't work out and get the green light, then i can see them kicking the tires on the Herman's and Gus's of the coaching world.

After that who knows.
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They can't be that dumb to go after Steele who has never been a head coach before
 
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