Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

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VolGee4 said:
That's not the discussion, so we will end it. It was an example. It's my opinion, and there others that agree that just because Mullen is doing swell at UF doesn't mean he was the answer at UT. Not a difficult concept.
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That’s fine but you’re not really giving any reasons why he wouldn’t succeed here other than just throwing out “fit” and I’m not really sure what that means. Is it because he’s not from the south or doesn’t speak with a twang because there’s tons of examples of winners in the SEC that weren’t good “fits”.
 
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LA Vol said:
UT does not want NCAA scrutiny. And going to war with Sankey isn't on the wish list, either.

And right now, UT doesn't have an HC opening.
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Please tell me why we care what Sankey thinks? He’s done nothing to Bama, LSU and Will Wade, UGA and Kirby openly cheat. Why is none of this brought up by other schools? I’m sure we do shady stuff but why does it matter? I’d drop the first truth bomb in every school publicly if he tried to say anything about UT or if I was head of any other school. He’s so biased and it’s obvious. I’m genuinely curious why so many people care what he thinks when he’s done nothing to anyone in this conference that’s cheated.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Something definitely happened in the Summer - it never came out. The hope is that it goes away.

But if it gets out, it will be bad. For everyone. No one comes out clean on this one.
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Great. Just great. Not only is Pruitt bad on the field, but now off the field stuff is coming out. But, let's keep him just so that he can save this recruiting class (that's wavering). :mad:
 
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VolGee4 said:
That's not the discussion, so we will end it. It was an example. It's my opinion, and there others that agree that just because Mullen is doing swell at UF doesn't mean he was the answer at UT. Not a difficult concept.
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You’ll have to define “answer” but it’s clear he would have more wins than Pruitt. Somehow you guys have moved the goalposts to suggest that Mullen at UT would have been less successful than Mullen at UF therefore we shouldn’t have hired Mullen. Fine, if that makes you feel better. Would have still been better than Pruitt any day regardless.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
Please tell me why we care what Sankey thinks? He’s done nothing to Bama, LSU and Will Wade, UGA and Kirby openly cheat. Why is none of this brought up by other schools? I’m sure we do shady stuff but why does it matter? I’d drop the first truth bomb in every school publicly if he tried to say anything about UT or if I was head of any other school. He’s so biased and it’s obvious. I’m genuinely curious why so many people care what he thinks when he’s done nothing to anyone in this conference that’s cheated.
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Somewhat related, but I would have loved to have seen Sankey's face when ol' boy threw that shoe.
 
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Can we just avoid the really obviously bad hires?

Lane Kiffin, Doug Marrone, etc. types

Lane made UT, USC of the south and absolutely left us high and dry. Just makes no sense, he's a great recruiter and a brilliant offensive mind. No denying it, but man...you can't trash other coaching names as "retreads" when the dude straight up quit on us before even signing his 2nd class. It's the worse kind of retread, the one who quit on us.

His results haven't exactly been world beater either, his best success was at the Group of 5 level and he even had a losing season there...
 
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All I’m saying is if I’m anyone from Vandy up to Bama and Sankey tries to tell me not to hire someone he thinks is shady I’ll laugh in his face and let him know I’ll make it public about every school in the conference and all the stuff he’s let them get away with. Especially if I’m someone like Fulmer who knows all the secrets. It would be mutually assured destruction.
 
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Look, people are locked into their narratives and I'm not invested in changing anybody's opinions. Everybody's entitled.

But I'll say this: firing with cause is very difficult and generally neither prudent nor financially advantageous. Fired coaches hire counsel and threaten to sue if terms aren't met. And every major program has things it doesn't want coming out in discovery. Because a fired coach will hold nothing back and may add a few embellishments, after leaking juicy tidbits to the media. And the reality is, when coaches color outside the lines, someone other than the coach knows about it, so you have problems up the chain.

See: Butch Jones.

Programs pay out contracts and have confidentiality agreements, because in a litigious society, it's the practical solution.
 
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LA Vol said:
IDT the door is closed on Kiffin. I just don't think now's the time. JMO. The good thing about Kiffin is he knows what he's good at it, he surrounds himself with people who're good at other things and he lets them do their jobs. I think a few years at OM would be good for him.
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The characteristics of a good senior manager, just ashame CJP lacks these skills.
 
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LA Vol said:
Look, people are locked into their narratives and I'm not invested in changing anybody's opinions. Everybody's entitled.

But I'll say this: firing with cause is very difficult and generally neither prudent nor financially advantageous. Fired coaches hire counsel and threaten to sue if terms aren't met. And every major program has things it doesn't want coming out in discovery. Because a fired coach will hold nothing back and may add a few embellishments, after leaking juicy tidbits to the media. And the reality is, when coaches color outside the lines, someone other than the coach knows about it, so you have problems up the chain.

See: Butch Jones.

Programs pay out contracts and have confidentiality agreements, because in a litigious society, it's the practical solution.
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I agree with you here. Just pay the buy out and move on.
 
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LA Vol said:
Look, people are locked into their narratives and I'm not invested in changing anybody's opinions. Everybody's entitled.

But I'll say this: firing with cause is very difficult and generally neither prudent nor financially advantageous. Fired coaches hire counsel and threaten to sue if terms aren't met. And every major program has things it doesn't want coming out in discovery. Because a fired coach will hold nothing back and may add a few embellishments, after leaking juicy tidbits to the media. And the reality is, when coaches color outside the lines, someone other than the coach knows about it, so you have problems up the chain.

See: Butch Jones.

Programs pay out contracts and have confidentiality agreements, because in a litigious society, it's the practical solution.
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Exactly why it's utterly ridiculous that Pruitt after his 2nd season was giving an extension with zero mitigation.
 
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