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If it were Freeze I wouldn't even be able to complete my sentence.

-Me: "Hello coach, I'm Bassmaster_vol representing the University of Tennessee. We would like to offer you..."

-Freeze

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Done.
But instead we are Tenn afraid to go after the big boys cause they will probably say no. In 2008, 2012, 2017 we never had a big name coach actually campaigning for the job like Freeze has behind the scene. This is a no brainer.
 
I’m just not sure why we care what anyone thinks about us hiring Freeze. How many times in the media have you heard them bring it up this year while at Liberty? None. Media have said Art Briles will be a coach again. Will Wade, Bruce Pearl, Lane Kiffin, Ed O, UNC fake classes, Duke won a bidding war for Zion, Auburn’s Cabin, Darnell Washington’s daycare. The list could go on and on and on and on. Why do we care? DCJW.
 
Small sample size but both seem as serviceable if not better than JG. Pruitt has brought a lot of this on himself by being unwilling to change. I have no doubts HB would have lead us to the same record if not better as a true freshman and we let a 5th year senior do it. Pruitt just hasn’t done himself any favors at all this year.

This JG attachment has been inexplicably narrow-minded. I've watched HB since he was a middle-schooler. He trained and camped with a kid I know, so I've seen him grow as a QB. And I watched JT practice last year. Both have a higher ceiling than JG-- but both have been backseated. There's no reason for UT to be in the position we're in with the roster we have.
 
If you operate under the assumption that the next coach is extremely likely to get fired anyway (that chart showing all the fired coaches since Saban came to Bama is insane) then hiring Freeze is even more of a no-brainer. Sure, he might not work out, but then again, most coaches aren’t gonna work out long term. It’s worth the risk.
 
This JG attachment has been inexplicably narrow-minded. I've watched HB since he was a middle-schooler. He trained and camped with a kid I know, so I've seen him grow as a QB. And I watched JT practice last year. Both have a higher ceiling than JG-- but both have been backseated. There's no reason for UT to be in the position we're in with the roster we have.
exactly, bye Pruitt, had your chance
 
Unless we bring in Freeze or a sure fire homerun then I'm on the keep Pruitt train.

Let him recruit and build the roster while we really look at candidates and do this right, with a plan. Anything less than 8-4 next year or going 0-3 against the big three and he should be canned. It would be year freaking 4. If he is going to be successful it would have happened by next year or he isn't the guy.

I know that isn't how this will probably go down and 8-4 gets him an extension regardless of how he does against the big 3, but that is the way it should happen.
No waiting a year means the university doesn’t care about winning, we can’t go wrong this year with the candidate pool we have to choose from especially since Gus malzahn could easily be a fall back option and a decent one
 
SIAP, but for those of you with a subscription to The Athletic, here is a good article about recruiting from recruiting staffers in various conferences....

‘It is hard to say no to Nick Saban’: An anonymous survey of recruiting staffers

Here are a couple of snippets I found interesting...

What is the biggest misconception in recruiting?
SEC-1: “Simple. That recruits watch the outcome of games and think that they’re going to go to the place that wins. It’s the converse that is many times true. Because when we lose a game, we’ll have recruits call us and say, ‘If I were out there, you guys would have won that game.’ They don’t care about wins and losses.
“You have isolated instances where kids come down to one game, but the majority of what they care about is the totality of the program, the long-term record, the facilities, the people and the track record of people in the NFL. Winning and losing in one game? That’s a complete myth. It doesn’t matter.”

Pac-12-1: “Probably that the history of a school and tradition and anything they have done previously in their history outside of the past five years matters to recruits.”


"What percent of your 2021 class have you been unable to evaluate in person because of the COVID-19-related dead period?
SEC-2: “60 to 65 percent”
SEC-3: “85 percent”
SEC-1: “Since March, we haven’t had any in-person contact. But we’re in a state where we have pretty good talent and guys would come to our campus as freshmen and sophomores. So, I would say, as a percentage of people who have come and camped with us to evaluate in person, I would say 40 percent tops. So 60 percent we haven’t seen.”

I buy that if you are losing close games, but nobody wants to play on a team that is getting blown out week after week or even every other week.
 
It's all about money for Tennessee. How much are they willing to spend. Michigan spent $8M/year to bring Harbaugh home (and that still didn't work out great for them). Texas A&M spent $10M/year to go get Jimbo from FSU, and it is still a work in progress but starting to look better.

Is Tennessee willing to throw $10M+/year of FU money at Matt Campbell, Bob Stoops, James Franklin and/or Chris Petersen and force them to say no? They didn't do that last coaching search cycle for Dan Mullen.

If Tennessee will not pony up that kind of money, then this cycle will continue.

If we aren't willing to spend FU money on a top tier candidate, then we are better off going another season with Pruitt so that we have stability in recruiting. Either Pruitt will show vast improvement next year in the win column, or he won't and he'll be fired. Either way, by the 2022 season, we should at least have a roster full of SEC caliber players for Pruitt or the next $4M coach to work with.
 
I hate to tell you, it’s another 3 year rebuild anyway.

I’m not going to campaign for Pruitt, I don’t think he’s the guy, but fans are delusional if you think any coach is going to come in here and flip this around that fast. It’ll be our 5th head coach in 13 years, we’re damaged goods.

The players love him, this is not disputable. You blow him out, and that coach is going to be dealing with defects because of the one year transfer rule. So, that roster you think Hugh Freeze is going to win 8-9 games with isn’t going to look like it does now.

I openly admit I go back and forth on what to do because this thing is complicated. People over simplify things to fit their narrative, which is exactly what’s happening here. I could care less who coaches, I just want to win. However, I’m not sit in a vacuum and act like our admin isn’t happy or isn’t analyzing the situation to make the best decision possible.
I don’t think anyone is saying it’s not a 3 year rebuild, but those 3 years with Pruitt will probably be something like, maybe 6-6 next year if we’re lucky, hopefully 6-6 the year after that and maybe7-5/8-4 the third year if we’re lucky. But with a decent coach we could be 7-5 next year and maybe competing for the east by year 3. Pruitt will never be competing for the east no matter how long he’s here unless Florida and uga both collapse, along with Kentucky and mizzou.

Some say this year doesn’t count because of covid, but every team has had to face the challenges of that this year. We’ve regressed in every area on the field. Even the defense which is supposed to be Pruitts strong point has been awful. If we keep Pruitt we’ll struggle to be mediocre and beat Kentucky and Missouri. Vandy will be the only sure win and even that is questionable under Pruitt.
 
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It's all about money for Tennessee. How much are they willing to spend. Michigan spent $8M/year to bring Harbaugh home (and that still didn't work out great for them). Texas A&M spent $10M/year to go get Jimbo from FSU, and it is still a work in progress but starting to look better.

Is Tennessee willing to throw $10M+/year of FU money at Matt Campbell, Bob Stoops, James Franklin and/or Chris Petersen and force them to say no? They didn't do that last coaching search cycle for Dan Mullen.

If Tennessee will not pony up that kind of money, then this cycle will continue.

If we aren't willing to spend FU money on a top tier candidate, then we are better off going another season with Pruitt so that we have stability in recruiting. Either Pruitt will show vast improvement next year in the win column, or he won't and he'll be fired. Either way, by the 2022 season, we should at least have a roster full of SEC caliber players for Pruitt or the next $4M coach to work with.
Hugh would come for 4
 
This JG attachment has been inexplicably narrow-minded. I've watched HB since he was a middle-schooler. He trained and camped with a kid I know, so I've seen him grow as a QB. And I watched JT practice last year. Both have a higher ceiling than JG-- but both have been backseated. There's no reason for UT to be in the position we're in with the roster we have.

And seems that is the case with other talented Freshman that haven't seen the field much this season. For me what you said is enough to show that CP doesn't know what he is doing as a HC and has cost us game in being a stubborn mule.
 
You know, we are trying to have fun here. It may end up being the only fun we have for quite some time. Why are you trying to ruin it for us? It doesn't happen we will move on to the next thing.
I can’t speak for Orange Maniac, and I understand your point, but the problem is it’s gone far beyond having fun.

Posters are repeating the mantra that Freeze is begging for the job, waiting for the call, it’s his dream job. All because “someone “ said it.

And they’re using that belief to call Fulmer, Boyd, boosters, and anyone else idiots and incompetent because they won’t take advantage of his desire and hire him. And they’re saying they don’t care about winning and should be fired.

Is it even true?
 
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I guess that depends on where you put the line. For the guys I consider top tier, yes. I think the elites are a very small club. But Pruitt is bottom-tier, so mid-tier is the playing field for most schools. Then you start layering in and prioritizing the variables-- are we going to hold firm with wanting a sitting coach, how important is rebuild experience, whose personality and style would be a good fit with UTAD and is that going to matter? And on it goes.
I know this will sound over simplified, but is there a tendency to "overthink" these decisions by the AD/boosters? I don't know about first, second and third tier stuff. Seems you would have a small pool, say 3-4, potential candidates and it shouldn't be to difficult to quickly work that list.

No, what I'm saying is, UT is unlikely to fire Pruitt to hire Anybody But Pruitt. If UT were committed to firing at all costs, UT would already be in the 2020 coaching sweepstakes.

It will have to be somebody that has strong support among a very small group of decisionmakers. And one decisionmaker stands taller than the rest.
I understand with boosters you're dealing with egos, but it seems like Tennessee has a bigger problem with that than most, at least from the standpoint of having a unified purpose. I guess what I'm asking (maybe it's a dumb question) but can one guy 'deep six' a potentially good/great candidate over some petty personal issue?

LA, I'm not trying to throw shade here and I realize finding a good coach is not an exact science. However, I see other programs that seem to be much more unified in purpose and honestly would like to understand why we can't get there.
 
This JG attachment has been inexplicably narrow-minded. I've watched HB since he was a middle-schooler. He trained and camped with a kid I know, so I've seen him grow as a QB. And I watched JT practice last year. Both have a higher ceiling than JG-- but both have been backseated. There's no reason for UT to be in the position we're in with the roster we have.
Right. We have a coach that has absolutely no idea what he is doing. Time to move on. Hire Freeze
 
But...but...but if our admin cares about winning we will call them and throw all the monies at them and they will have to say yes. It's that easy.

It’s not supposed to be easy, but it is necessary. We pay these admins massive salaries to accomplish difficult tasks. One of those tasks is hiring talented and competent people to run your athletic programs.

If Fulmer/Boyd are worth the money they are being paid, they’ll sell a good coach on taking this job. Because the current guy is failing.
 
This may get me stoned, but I would prefer another year of Pruitt as opposed to another botched coaching search.

The last two, we have been turned down in very public fashion by people who have proven to not be that great. Plus, we went nuclear (necessarily) on Schiano Sunday.

I’m firmly in the camp of, if you can hire a respectable, experienced guy with P5 HC experience, do it now. But let’s do it like grown ups, like a well run organization.

The coaching searches we have experienced, though exhilarating on VN, are a microcosm of the dumpster fire this program has been for a decade +.
Don’t you understand we are already a dumpster fire? It can’t get anymore embarrassing then where we are currently...This mentality that we are just going to do worse or that I can’t handle the embarrassment of another coaching search doesn’t play when we are already there as a university. Accepting failure is worse than attempting to change it. The law of averages has to go in our favor someday when it comes to hiring a good HC but continuing to accept failure will get more failure.
So no let’s not do this again!
 
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