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#19,726
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Gus pros and cons (IMO)

Pros:
  • Is an SEC guy through and through, has been to the “mountaintop” twice in the conference (once as coordinator, once as head coach)
  • Is an offensive-minded coach
  • Has a fairly strong overall W/L record of 68-35
  • Has never had a losing season and would be extremely unlikely to fall flat on his face here, lending credence to the notion that he would stabilize the program
  • 3 wins vs Saban, can beat his rivals/better teams even in down years
Cons:
  • Was just fired for not winning enough football games
  • His ceiling of national championship game may be misleading due to two miraculous plays/wins (then again, Fulmer’s ceiling was also reached via a miraculous gift-wrapped turnover)
  • Is essentially an 8-4 guy on average (wins 66% of his games)
  • Is 2-5 in bowl games
  • Has a poor record against teams that finish the season ranked
  • Offense may be stale at this point
  • Has a very poor record vs UGA
  • There is no precedent of a fired SEC coach having success at another SEC school
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
they have still been cutting checks every month.... Had he mitigated it with new job we would have been able to keep that money for other uses. We did get to keep the whopping interest during that tme.... woo hooo....
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Again, UT hasnt cut any checks. That money goes into an escrow account. That money was provided by boosters when they decided it was time for Butch to go. The same thing is getting ready to happen with Pruitt
 
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Horrific Developments

1. Firing Gus without a firm plan
2. Plans involve potentially having Kevin Steele as a replacement!?
3. Fans clamoring for Gus to be gone now realize the real problem - Auburn itself. The people in position to make decisions have never made good decisions.
4. Our rivals are at all time highs, with a resurgence of Florida and A&M.
5. Recruiting wasn't good this year WITH Gus, what do you think is going to happen Wednesday.
6. Philip Marshall writing negative articles. This is one of the signs of the apocolypse.
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This feels A LOT like FSU when the boosters went rogue. Outsiders thought "surely they have a great plan to make such a decision". NOPE.
 
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logginlarry said:
Tennessee has this mantel now. It's time to let some other program have a turn.

I'm very concerned with how the word 'mantel' is being used above. If we reverse the last two letters, I think we get the intended word. Another VN masterpiece.
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My fault. Appreciate the correction.
 
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#19,734
utvols88 said:
Every player has one. Every coach has one. It's not one book on a pillar. I've seen UGAs playbook when Mark Richt was there. I was two feet away from their opponent notes. So it's not that crazy that he's seen playbooks.
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If you say so
 
#19,735
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Kiffin goes to Bama when Saban retired. Lea make Vandy respectable. Stoops get UK into an 8 win a year program. Beamer makes SCAR fun and exciting. Drinkiwitz makes Mizzou a 7-5 program. And TN is stuck with a gump who can tie his own shoes.
 
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Aesius said:
Gus pros and cons (IMO)

Pros:
  • Is an SEC guy through and through, has been to the “mountaintop” twice in the conference (once as coordinator, once as head coach)
  • Is an offensive-minded coach
  • Has a fairly strong overall W/L record of 68-35
  • Has never had a losing season and would be extremely unlikely to fall flat on his face here, lending credence to the notion that he would stabilize the program
  • 3 wins vs Saban, can beat his rivals/better teams even in down years
Cons:
  • Was just fired for not winning enough football games
  • His ceiling of national championship game may be misleading due to two miraculous plays/wins (then again, Fulmer’s ceiling was also reached via a miraculous gift-wrapped turnover)
  • Is essentially an 8-4 guy on average (wins 66% of his games)
  • Is 2-5 in bowl games
  • Has a poor record against teams that finish the season ranked
  • Offense may be stale at this point
  • Has a very poor record vs UGA
  • There is no precedent of a fired SEC coach having success at another SEC school
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His single biggest con would be that despite his reputation, he actually has a poor track record at developing QBs. Gus only has big years in the first season of a transfer QB. In particular, the QBs that he has recruited and tried to develop out of high school (Johnson and Nix) suck and play like they are insanely poorly coached.

Gus is like the opposite of that cliche that people say about reputations. Reputations supposedly take a lifetime to build and can be tarnished really quickly, right? Gus built a reputation as on offensive guru early in his career on the basis of a couple of seasons, and that reputation has persisted for years despite a ton of lackluster offenses in the proceeding years.
 
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Ace said:
But we have been out of spot light for so long, kids do not see that much difference between us and Vandy unfortunately. Vandy has planned this for a while. They want to get serious about football. Lea has always been their guy. I believe they flirted with Healy but Lea was their guy.
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There is still a huge difference in the Tennessee brand and Vandy. This evidenced by being out as the premier SEC game multiple times while being terrible and no shot to win. Better to put UGA/Bama/Florida vs. Tennessee than multiple other attractive options.

Vandy never gets that!
 
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05_never_again said:
His single biggest con would be that despite his reputation, he actually has a poor track record at developing QBs. Gus only has big years in the first season of a transfer QB. In particular, the QBs that he has recruited and tried to develop out of high school (Johnson and Nix) suck and play like they are insanely poorly coached.

Gus is like the opposite of that cliche that people say about reputations. Reputations supposedly take a lifetime to build and can be tarnished really quickly, right? Gus built a reputation as on offensive guru early in his career on the basis of a couple of seasons, and that reputation has persisted for years despite a ton of lackluster offenses in the proceeding years.
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Very true. That's a big one for sure. His biggest "pro" is basically that he's an 8-4 guy who can occasionally beat Bama. I don't think he would suddenly become a 9-3 guy at UT/in the East either, because A) the Auburn magic wouldn't be there vs Bama and B) he's prone to dropping random games to bad East teams, too. Plus, he loses almost annually to UGA and we lose to UF regardless of who the head coaches are.

tl;dr: I'm out on Gus!
 
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