Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Catbone]

you do realize how absolutely ridiculously ass surd this sounds? The president of University of TN systems & a CFHOF head coach, both with large egos, dont want to win. that's silly man.

Take a lap. Heck, take 2.

So they're just incompetent. Not sure what's worse

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

4 star WR from MO. Their offense is great and I don’t blame him for wanting to stay home and be a part of it. Wish we could sell something like that to recruits...

Mizzou has beat a lot of bad teams. Unfortunately, we have lost to some of those bad teams. SEC East is not good. A good coach comes in and competes for the East in two years.

 

[Catbone]

What is our goal at TN? What is reasonable?

All of us want to compete for championships. That's obviously the goal. But this also is reasonable for Tennessee. We are the second winningest SEC team in history. We have everything that ever other top school in the country does. The only thing that we lack is in state talent that matches up. But if you look at '22, even that is increasing. We have the same facilities, the same money, and even better tradition than schools like AU and GA. All we are lacking is a head coach.

At TN, our schedule is not that difficult. I know that we play in the SEC. But let's be honest, we play 3 guaranteed tough games a year: Bama, Ga, and Fl. Some years we will play 4 tough games if we get a tough West matchup with someone like LSU. And in a horrible year, we may have 5 if we draw a tough west opponent plus schedule someone OOC like an OU rather than a Pitt or a VT. With that schedule, in most years 9-3 at least should be the expectation at TN, and that's with losing to the top 3. A bad year would be 8-4, and that's with losing to the top 3 plus the tough west matchup or the tough OOC. And a disaster year would be 7-5 and that's losing to everyone of those.

This is not that hard. We will recruit a roster more talented than 75% of our schedule. As long as our coach doesn't screw it up, 8 wins should be the floor unless its a really bad year and we go 7-5. This is a reasonable expectation for TN. Literally any head coach who is even decent, average, can do that here.

Now, some will scream, "but we aren't doing that and that means that isn't true!" No, we haven't had good coaching. We hired a guy who would have done that in Kiffin. He bolted. We panicked and hired a guy that we had no business hiring, and we began to bury our program. Since Kiffin, we have hired guys who should have never been interviewed at TN, let alone given the job. Now, I understand the Pruitt hire, thanks to Currie, we had three options, Pruitt, Tucker, or Steele. This board was basically unanimous for Pruitt at the time and, tbh, I thought he had a shot to be a good coach. He still does, he just isn't ready yet.

But just because we've made 3 bad hires following Kiffin does not mean that we shouldn't still expect to find a coach who can give us what we are looking for. We are asking for 9-11 wins a year with a chance to win it all if everything goes right with the right QB, or if everything goes wrong 7-5 at worse. That isn't hard to do.

Hugh Freeze brings that now. Right now. We hire him and next year we are no worse than 7-5. I really believe that. I think we'd actually have a shot at 9 with him next year. Even if it is not Hugh, there are others who we could hire that would bring that. Campbell likely brings that, Fickell likely brings that, maybe even Sarkisain, Napier or Chadwell. We need to get serious and remember who we are. We aren't asking to be a dynasty. We are asking to be respected again. 9-11 wins every year brings that. Bring us that guy.

8-4 on average should be the goal.

 

[scvolfan7]

Mizzou has beat a lot of bad teams. Unfortunately, we have lost to some of those bad teams. SEC East is not good. A good coach comes in and competes for the East in two years.

Watch some of the throws their Qb made against Arky. Dimes. They’re gonna be pretty damn good again

 

[Devo182]

Listened to a 247 podcast on why defensive HCs tend to be so conservative/controlling on offense. They brought up how Stoops hired Leach and he went with a modern offense early on and how Saban eventually hired Kiffin and Sark.

The background picture to the entire podcast was....Jeremy Pruitt. Model coach for what not to do.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

If Pruitt is back all the preseason talk for the East will be UF or UGA to win the East and Missouri breaking out and being a dark horse (they return 8 starters on offense), it will be UK continuing to improve with Stoops and a new OC for them and Vandy and South Carolina with new coaches. We will be the ones with nothing to look forward to.

We'll be considered a guaranteed win on everyone's schedule not named SC or Vandy

 

[JohnnyD1024]

I can't wait until Jay Norvell is introduced as our new head coach.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

What is our goal at TN? What is reasonable?

All of us want to compete for championships. That's obviously the goal. But this also is reasonable for Tennessee. We are the second winningest SEC team in history. We have everything that ever other top school in the country does. The only thing that we lack is in state talent that matches up. But if you look at '22, even that is increasing. We have the same facilities, the same money, and even better tradition than schools like AU and GA. All we are lacking is a head coach.

At TN, our schedule is not that difficult. I know that we play in the SEC. But let's be honest, we play 3 guaranteed tough games a year: Bama, Ga, and Fl. Some years we will play 4 tough games if we get a tough West matchup with someone like LSU. And in a horrible year, we may have 5 if we draw a tough west opponent plus schedule someone OOC like an OU rather than a Pitt or a VT. With that schedule, in most years 9-3 at least should be the expectation at TN, and that's with losing to the top 3. A bad year would be 8-4, and that's with losing to the top 3 plus the tough west matchup or the tough OOC. And a disaster year would be 7-5 and that's losing to everyone of those.

This is not that hard. We will recruit a roster more talented than 75% of our schedule. As long as our coach doesn't screw it up, 8 wins should be the floor unless its a really bad year and we go 7-5. This is a reasonable expectation for TN. Literally any head coach who is even decent, average, can do that here.

Now, some will scream, "but we aren't doing that and that means that isn't true!" No, we haven't had good coaching. We hired a guy who would have done that in Kiffin. He bolted. We panicked and hired a guy that we had no business hiring, and we began to bury our program. Since Kiffin, we have hired guys who should have never been interviewed at TN, let alone given the job. Now, I understand the Pruitt hire, thanks to Currie, we had three options, Pruitt, Tucker, or Steele. This board was basically unanimous for Pruitt at the time and, tbh, I thought he had a shot to be a good coach. He still does, he just isn't ready yet.

But just because we've made 3 bad hires following Kiffin does not mean that we shouldn't still expect to find a coach who can give us what we are looking for. We are asking for 9-11 wins a year with a chance to win it all if everything goes right with the right QB, or if everything goes wrong 7-5 at worse. That isn't hard to do.

Hugh Freeze brings that now. Right now. We hire him and next year we are no worse than 7-5. I really believe that. I think we'd actually have a shot at 9 with him next year. Even if it is not Hugh, there are others who we could hire that would bring that. Campbell likely brings that, Fickell likely brings that, maybe even Sarkisain, Napier or Chadwell. We need to get serious and remember who we are. We aren't asking to be a dynasty. We are asking to be respected again. 9-11 wins every year brings that. Bring us that guy.

Well said, Bass. Spot on. No sense in us ever be under 7-8 wins. We should out talent 75% of the teams we play.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The goal for the next 5 years is 7-9 wins.

Find a coach that does that and build them a statute

No, 2 years max of that

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Watch some of the throws their Qb made against Arky. Dimes. They’re gonna be pretty damn good again

Naw. They don’t worry me at all. They don’t recruit well enough. Once we get a real coach, I’m not worried. Arkansas has come down to earth with 3 wins. We are just beyond terrible and inflating Mizzou and Arkansas.

 

[Kingston Vol]

What is our goal at TN? What is reasonable?

All of us want to compete for championships. That's obviously the goal. But this also is reasonable for Tennessee. We are the second winningest SEC team in history. We have everything that ever other top school in the country does. The only thing that we lack is in state talent that matches up. But if you look at '22, even that is increasing. We have the same facilities, the same money, and even better tradition than schools like AU and GA. All we are lacking is a head coach.

At TN, our schedule is not that difficult. I know that we play in the SEC. But let's be honest, we play 3 guaranteed tough games a year: Bama, Ga, and Fl. Some years we will play 4 tough games if we get a tough West matchup with someone like LSU. And in a horrible year, we may have 5 if we draw a tough west opponent plus schedule someone OOC like an OU rather than a Pitt or a VT. With that schedule, in most years 9-3 at least should be the expectation at TN, and that's with losing to the top 3. A bad year would be 8-4, and that's with losing to the top 3 plus the tough west matchup or the tough OOC. And a disaster year would be 7-5 and that's losing to everyone of those.

This is not that hard. We will recruit a roster more talented than 75% of our schedule. As long as our coach doesn't screw it up, 8 wins should be the floor unless its a really bad year and we go 7-5. This is a reasonable expectation for TN. Literally any head coach who is even decent, average, can do that here.

Now, some will scream, "but we aren't doing that and that means that isn't true!" No, we haven't had good coaching. We hired a guy who would have done that in Kiffin. He bolted. We panicked and hired a guy that we had no business hiring, and we began to bury our program. Since Kiffin, we have hired guys who should have never been interviewed at TN, let alone given the job. Now, I understand the Pruitt hire, thanks to Currie, we had three options, Pruitt, Tucker, or Steele. This board was basically unanimous for Pruitt at the time and, tbh, I thought he had a shot to be a good coach. He still does, he just isn't ready yet.

But just because we've made 3 bad hires following Kiffin does not mean that we shouldn't still expect to find a coach who can give us what we are looking for. We are asking for 9-11 wins a year with a chance to win it all if everything goes right with the right QB, or if everything goes wrong 7-5 at worse. That isn't hard to do.

Hugh Freeze brings that now. Right now. We hire him and next year we are no worse than 7-5. I really believe that. I think we'd actually have a shot at 9 with him next year. Even if it is not Hugh, there are others who we could hire that would bring that. Campbell likely brings that, Fickell likely brings that, maybe even Sarkisain, Napier or Chadwell. We need to get serious and remember who we are. We aren't asking to be a dynasty. We are asking to be respected again. 9-11 wins every year brings that. Bring us that guy.

I think this is right.

Another thing I would say is that in order to survive here you can't go backwards in the first four years.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Gonna be funny how many jump back on tomorrow IF UT scores more than 20 and wins by double digits.

Me. Not. So. Much.

No one will. This is nearly a game against walk on players

41-0

I’ll enjoy it, but I know what it is

 

[MoCo_Vol]

What do you mean?

I mean the media is buzzing around UT candidates for a job with no vacancy already...


Also Hudson mentioned talking to Fulmer, the only reason an AD should ever be involved in recruiting is if there's about to be a new HC and they are trying to keep a class together for the new hire to have some traction when they arrive.

 

[aRmo]

DeerPark said Hugh Freeze will never be hired here. Even if or when Pruitt is fired. Freeze will never be the coach of UT. I get it the man has a checkered past. But it isn’t like he is Art Briles. This isn’t a Christian university where we have to have a perfect head coach. Do we care more about what the news will say if we hire him? I care more about winning. If True looks like UT can careless about winning. Of course we have known this for a while now.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Freeze won't be hired here. Period. If they fire pruitt, we will not get a legit coach. We won't have a team that's exciting to watch. You guys are fans of the wrong team if that's what you want. Still got room aboard the Lane train, tho. Tickets are free!

 

[CAVPUT]

Chainsaw chain attachment for grinder.

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Not to sound unsympathetic but what model makita grinder is that? How do you like it? My Porter Cable died. Been thinking makita or bosch. Not a huge fan of DeWalt but they seem to have good grinders.

 

[jpope9]

DeerPark said Hugh Freeze will never be hired here. Even if or when Pruitt is fired. Freeze will never be the coach of UT. I get it the man has a checkered past. But it isn’t like he is Art Briles. This isn’t a Christian university where we have to have a perfect head coach. Do we care more about what the news will say if we hire him? I care more about winning. If True looks like UT can careless about winning. Of course we have known this for a while now.

DeerPark also once said we would never be a nike school.....

 

[Volsfan895]

DeerPark said Hugh Freeze will never be hired here. Even if or when Pruitt is fired. Freeze will never be the coach of UT. I get it the man has a checkered past. But it isn’t like he is Art Briles. This isn’t a Christian university where we have to have a perfect head coach. Do we care more about what the news will say if we hire him? I care more about winning. If True looks like UT can careless about winning. Of course we have known this for a while now.

He also said we would never go to Nike.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

If no Freeze go make Bryan Harsin say no.

 

[GojiraVol17]

Y’all are tying your hopes & dreams to something we’ve known isn’t gonna happen. I dunno why we belabor this for weeks and get all butthurt when someone says something to put it to rest. There ARE other coaches and capable ones out there still yet.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

DeerPark said Hugh Freeze will never be hired here. Even if or when Pruitt is fired. Freeze will never be the coach of UT. I get it the man has a checkered past. But it isn’t like he is Art Briles. This isn’t a Christian university where we have to have a perfect head coach. Do we care more about what the news will say if we hire him? I care more about winning. If True looks like UT can careless about winning. Of course we have known this for a while now.

Funny thing is, a Christian university did hire him.

 

[MarcoVol]

Y’all are tying your hopes & dreams to something we’ve known isn’t gonna happen. I dunno why we belabor this for weeks and get all butthurt when someone says something to put it to rest. There ARE other coaches and capable ones out there still yet.

I want Freeze but the first thing we must all accept is it’s not happening this year

 

[butchna]

DeerPark also once said we would never be a nike school.....

Better screenshot this.

 

[Volsfan895]

I want Freeze but the first thing we must all accept is it’s not happening this year

Nah, I’m good.

 

[Geronimo]

Hell, maybe Randy Boyd really is running the whole show and Phil is in the dark too.

Larry was quoted a day or so ago that Pruitt was here for next year. Now, I hate that Larry is always so negative, bc nobody wants to hear the truth when it doesn’t fit their agenda. BUT, he’s right WAY more than he’s wrong. Obviously things could change, but Until he says it’s coming, my outlook remains dim.