Saban the genius

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BeecherVol said:
Saban has opened up to the idea you re not gonna win every game scoring 24 points anymore because you can longer hold every opponent to less than that number. Even if your defenses is good by previous standards.

Having said that, eventually holding a team to a couple fgs instead of tds, creating an extra turnover, or just getting a stop or 2 more than your opponent has become the goal.
It still boils down to your defense giving up less than you can score on a given night.
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Our defense has actually done quite well with holding the opposing team to field goals.
But then the offense throws a pick or just fizzles out.

Our defense has played well enough to have a good season.
 
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This thread is on the right track. What does Saban have? Pro football. He wasn’t great at it, but protections, he knows it, Pro style D, he knows it, what makes a good corner in the NFL, yeah, he’s got that too.

Or...

We can keep doing the same stuff.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Nick Saban knows more about football than Pruitt.

He adjusted his attention to the offense and now they arguably have the best offense in the country.

That’s what separates great coaches from terrible coaches like Pruitt.
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I’m afraid Pruitt has lost respect of the team, far too many rumblings of players having lost trust in the staff
 
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Vollifer1949 said:
The rules of football have changed. Defenses are so hamstrung it’s almost impossible to play receivers head up without getting a holding or PI penalty. Saban was quick to realize the game is not about having a shut down defense but receivers who can get open. Jeremy Pruitt is still trying to build a defense when defense doesn’t matter with the rules today. If you hold your opponent to 25 you can win. That’s where we need to go
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Since we can't break 24, we'd still be losers.
 
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Doesn't hurt nick that he is at a very corrupt program too. All about winning and those folks will do anyting to win. A guy and program that make and go by their own rules.
 
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Truth is we are not that talented, that is a fact, just look at the NFL Draft and where our players stand. We have a few linemen that may get drafted, No wide receiver, No quarterback, No running backs, No defensive backs, No linebackers, No defensive ends, you get my drift.

Compare that with Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU and on and on.

Pruitt is part of the problem but it is also a talent problem and the competition from other schools has never been greater. Years ago when we were a Top 3 Team, players wanted to come here to get on TV and get to the NFL. There was a time when players never had an opportunity to switch school and they played the full 4 years. Today they change schools like change socks, and the good ones are gone in 3 years so you are constantly rebuilding and have to have depth.

The top level athletes are looking at the HC as much as the school and deciding which one can help them to the next level the most, and it is not Tennessee with it losing ways the past 15 years. Just look at how many 3 star recruits we offer, compare that to Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

You really need a BIG NAME HC to attract the top talent and for a school with the resources of UT to hire a defensive coordinator with NO experience as HC is just insane. Pruitt has to go and UT has to get serious and hire an experienced top level HC like immediately.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Nah. It takes both to be great.
But really good coaches with less talent beat bad coaches with more talent regularly.
Pruitt and Saban could switch teams and in 2 years UT beats Bama
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The Lord High Saban would be fired at the Tennessee $hit show in 4-5 years just like everyone else.
 
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njvols said:
There are PLENTY of examples of this...even at UT. UT's high flying offense went down when Tony Robinson broke his leg. Majors adapted w/ Dickey, controlled the clock, ran the ball w/ a conservative pass scheme and played lights out D...all the way to a victory over Miami in the Sugar Bowl and #4 finish. More recently, Missouri, who never won prizes for recruiting won the SEC east a couple of times when they had no business being in the conversation. This is what I'm most dismayed about this year w/ UT. We had the nucleus of a good returning D, but have regressed mightily. We have a 2 deep talented OL on paper, but haven't used it to our advantage. We have 3 4*s and 1 5* QB on the roster, but can't get a top shelf performance, when other teams are slinging it around with much less talent than on our squad. Something not right w/ this staff...to the initial point...no ability to develop and scheme, from what I can tell.
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"Develop and Scheme". Exactly. And what do we call that? COACHING!
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Nick Saban knows more about football than Pruitt.

He adjusted his attention to the offense and now they arguably have the best offense in the country.

That’s what separates great coaches from terrible coaches like Pruitt.
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Lets see. Saban has been a head coach for over 30 years, has been a head coach in the NFL, has won a hand-full of NCAA championships, and has the best talent of any college in the World. Pruitt has been a head coach for 3 years, his talent level for the first year may have been the worst in the SEC, he had about a month to try and salvage an average recruiting class his first year, had a team with below average and inexperienced QBs, has had to play a schedule which was rated in the 10 toughest in the Nation each year with much less talent than most of the other SEC teams while Saban played one of the easiest schedules in the SEC. Pruitt has had to learn how to assemble an adequate coaching staff as a first time head coach and learn how to be a head coach in 3 years. My 2 year old grand daughter could likely have made an equally intelligent statement. Your insight is simply less than mature.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
We were 0-8 in the SEC when Pruitt got here, I doubt he's had the luxury of being too picky in recruiting in order to stack the WR position as Saban has the last few years. I think he's trying to build a team that's good at all levels on both sides of the ball, just takes time.
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To hear this board, many were raving about his recruiting. You walking that back now? 7th in the conference won’t get it done.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Lets see. Saban has been a head coach for over 30 years, has been a head coach in the NFL, has won a hand-full of NCAA championships, and has the best talent of any college in the World. Pruitt has been a head coach for 3 years, his talent level for the first year may have been the worst in the SEC, he had about a month to try and salvage an average recruiting class his first year, had a team with below average and inexperienced QBs, has had to play a schedule which was rated in the 10 toughest in the Nation each year with much less talent than most of the other SEC teams while Saban played one of the easiest schedules in the SEC. Pruitt has had to learn how to assemble an adequate coaching staff as a first time head coach and learn how to be a head coach in 3 years. My 2 year old grand daughter could likely have made an equally intelligent statement. Your insight is simply less than mature.
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With all of Pruitts inadequacies perhaps he shouldn’t have been hired. I also find it hard to believe the Vols talent level was less than Arky, Vandy, UK, South Carolina, Miss Stathe or Ole Miss.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Uh...not all of us. Pretty sure I was against this moronic hire from day one, and took the heat on this board to prove it. Ditto with the previous two.

Please don't take that way from me.
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You are right. I was also very vocal about disliking this hire...as well as the Butch hire. Unfortunately I dared have hope that Pruitt was better than I initially thought. I was sooooo wrong. He is worse.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Lets see. Saban has been a head coach for over 30 years, has been a head coach in the NFL, has won a hand-full of NCAA championships, and has the best talent of any college in the World. Pruitt has been a head coach for 3 years, his talent level for the first year may have been the worst in the SEC, he had about a month to try and salvage an average recruiting class his first year, had a team with below average and inexperienced QBs, has had to play a schedule which was rated in the 10 toughest in the Nation each year with much less talent than most of the other SEC teams while Saban played one of the easiest schedules in the SEC. Pruitt has had to learn how to assemble an adequate coaching staff as a first time head coach and learn how to be a head coach in 3 years. My 2 year old grand daughter could likely have made an equally intelligent statement. Your insight is simply less than mature.
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Thanks for proving my point.

How about we hire a proven HC that’s been in this position before instead of hiring coordinators that are learning on the job?

Pruitt was a moronic hire, now you’re really starting to see the results.
 
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Undercs said:
To hear this board, many were raving about his recruiting. You walking that back now? 7th in the conference won’t get it done.
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Thinking you're going to be one of the top recruiting teams in the conference so short after '17 and '18 is not feasible.
 
#45
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ACvol3 said:
We need to figure out how to get our receivers open. UF and bama have it figured out... we need to in a bad way
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Or find a QB that can drop dimes in tight coverage. Bama has had the luxury of both in most years but if we can’t have both we need at least one and we have neither.

Hiring defensive minded coaches is clearly not the current trend. Phil missed the memo or failed to see the writing on the wall. For various reasons the O’s have moved past the D’s. Sabans genius was being smart enough to realize it which was probably not easy for him. I saw an interview a couple months ago where he admitted it. When Saban says offense is now the primary factor in a games outcome you take notice.
 
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It is so hard to believe that soon (hopefully) we will have been through 4 coaches since Fulmer and moving to our 5th hire. Can’t think of any program of our caliber that has gone through a revolving door of staff.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Nick Saban knows more about football than Pruitt.

He adjusted his attention to the offense and now they arguably have the best offense in the country.

That’s what separates great coaches from terrible coaches like Pruitt.
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Kinda like the "I'm gonna kick your a** -- not if I can out run you" mantra
 
#50
#50
Saban is king of college football, Pruitt can’t even carry his jock strap! Everyone needs to stop worrying about Bama and concentrate on Vols football. Y’all have Bama on the brain!!!! Focus on Tennessee football and stop worrying about what the rest of the SEC is doing......
 
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