Where do you stand on Healthcare?

How do you feel about the healthcare currently provided in the US?

  • It’s perfect the way it is. No changes necessary.

  • I like our system but it needs some tweaking.

  • I like the idea of our system but it has gotten much too expensive and needs major reform.

  • I think the format for providing healthcare is flawed and it needs rebuilt from the ground up.

  • Other

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#78
#78
zeppelin128 said:
Booooo
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But think about the term zep. “Medicare for all”. First off I’m not a fan of Medicare but I didn’t have a choice. With Medicare I started paying for “insurance” on my first job when I was 16. I will have paid for this “insurance” for 49 years before I can even have the option of making a claim. “Medicare for all” destroys the already rotten setup since there is zero paying into the plan in order to get benefits. It is financially unsustainable and every rational study I’ve seen this far points to that conclusion
 
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OHvol40 said:
Insurance providers used to be a check/balance on healthcare provider cost. Now, in many instances, the insurance provider and healthcare provider are one in the same. The insurance/provider gives network exclusivity eliminating any competition from other insurers and/or providers. They determine what you are charged and since there is no longer an independent insurance company to check or negotiate those charges, the expenses are passed along to the consumer. It’s a fantastic monopoly for these people to profit from illness.

To “get things back to the way they used to be” you have to eliminate these monopolies.
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No insurance providers funded by corporate pockets to recruit people are the cancerous enabler that spiraled this all out of control.

Kill it all and let the free market decide. Nobody needs to go to the ER for a headache.
 
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#81
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Hospitals charge up to 1,800% more for services than they cost: study

The for profit system with the middle man insurance is working out well.
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So I’m going thru shoulder surgery recovery now and I laugh continually at the provider billing and what is paid.

Each rehab session: Billed $350 paid $50

Surgeon fees for surgery: Billed $9k paid $900

Surgery Center: Billed $53k paid $9k

Pre/post op visit: Billed $150 paid $50

So if those paid costs were good for them and they had already agreed to them why do the damn shell game FFS. Insurance is broken and it broke health care costs.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So I’m going thru shoulder surgery recovery now and I laugh continually at the provider billing and what is paid.

Each rehab session: Billed $350 paid $50

Surgeon fees for surgery: Billed $9k paid $900

Surgery Center: Billed $53k paid $9k

Pre/post op visit: Billed $150 paid $50

So if those paid costs were good for them and they had already agreed to them why do the damn shell game FFS. Insurance is broken and it broke health care costs.
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It's so they can report the difference as a loss on their taxes. Insurance is a scam and if you don't have it you're screwed if you have any assets.
I recently had some annual blood work. They drew 3 vials of blood and billed the insurance company over $1500 for 6 or 7 tests. The insurance company "claims" they paid about $500 but if I were to guess they got a rebate back on about half of that.
 
#85
#85
VolStrom said:
It's so they can report the difference as a loss on their taxes. Insurance is a scam and if you don't have it you're screwed if you have any assets.
I recently had some annual blood work. They drew 3 vials of blood and billed the insurance company over $1500 for 6 or 7 tests. The insurance company "claims" they paid about $500 but if I were to guess they got a rebate back on about half of that.
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Yep I understand. It’s a racket. Healthcare isn’t the problem. Corporate and government funded insurance is the problem.
 
#88
#88
Y9 Vol said:
Simple solution...stop forcing the care of indigents
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I had a kidney stone about 10 years ago and went to the ER. When I walked through the door it was packed with hispanics that for lack of a better description looked like they had nothing more wrong with them than minor ailments. When I described my pain to the ER check in they took my straight back and loaded me on a gurney and rolled me about 10 feet down the hall and told me all of their 35 treatment rooms were full and where is my insurance card.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It wasn’t meant to be. I’m just pointing out that “Canadians coming to the US for healthcare” is a false narrative.
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Maybe for the average Joe Canadian, but I'd bet good money that the Rich ones come here for serious health issues unless the have concierge doctors and hospitals that aren't part of the gubment system.

I used to work with a guy about 20 years ago that went to Canada for a hernia repair because they had some specific procedure that he wanted done and was willing to pay out of his own pocket for.
 
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VolStrom said:
Maybe for the average Joe Canadian, but I'd bet good money that the Rich ones come here for serious health issues unless the have concierge doctors and hospitals that aren't part of the gubment system.

I used to work with a guy about 20 years ago that went to Canada for a hernia repair because they had some specific procedure that he wanted done and was willing to pay out of his own pocket for.
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There are always exceptions. The point is there is no trend that Canadians rush to the US for healthcare for any reason. Nor do any other nationalities. In developed countries healthcare services are basically using the same procedures and same technologies. The difference is in the US you pay much more.
 
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#92
I said other because all of the options were weighted choices. There is also a lack in information.

The question states healthcare itself. But the answers lead towards insurance and other influences not directly mentioned in the question.

For me the answer is the system is mostly fine, but like most things in our society our expectations have changed to border on the ridiculous or at least impossible. People want change, but dont want things to change. They want the best but they dont want to pay for the best. They want free healthcare but never address the increased taxes or the fact that other universal systems still often run at a deficit.

No one probably understands, at least on this board, how interconnected it all is. Changing on piece will likely upset the whole house of cards. That's not to argue against change, but instead just saying that things need to be looked at broadly before you pull one piece of the puzzle.

One pretty straightforward point I have found universally applicable is the more you involve the government the worse things get.

We need to remove barriers between people and their healthcare. Remove government, remove requirements for insurance. Let doctors work for cash. Make it easier for doctors to work as solo entities. And do not on any level let the government be a decider on personal health care situations or options.

We also need to recognize that as the biggest health care spenders were a propping up the system other nations rely on directly or not to function. Maybe us subsidizing healthcare because we are so expensive is the one thing, or a big thing, that let's other nations buy cheaply. If we suddenly go cheap, all those reliant systems could go down.

House of cards.
 
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#95
#95
LouderVol said:
I said other because all of the options were weighted choices. There is also a lack in information.

The question states healthcare itself. But the answers lead towards insurance and other influences not directly mentioned in the question.

For me the answer is the system is mostly fine, but like most things in our society our expectations have changed to border on the ridiculous or at least impossible. People want change, but dont want things to change. They want the best but they dont want to pay for the best. They want free healthcare but never address the increased taxes or the fact that other universal systems still often run at a deficit.

No one probably understands, at least on this board, how interconnected it all is. Changing on piece will likely upset the whole house of cards. That's not to argue against change, but instead just saying that things need to be looked at broadly before you pull one piece of the puzzle.

One pretty straightforward point I have found universally applicable is the more you involve the government the worse things get.

We need to remove barriers between people and their healthcare. Remove government, remove requirements for insurance. Let doctors work for cash. Make it easier for doctors to work as solo entities. And do not on any level let the government be a decider on personal health care situations or options.

We also need to recognize that as the biggest health care spenders were a propping up the system other nations rely on directly or not to function. Maybe us subsidizing healthcare because we are so expensive is the one thing, or a big thing, that let's other nations buy cheaply. If we suddenly go cheap, all those reliant systems could go down.

House of cards.
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I tried to make answer choices that didn’t address any issue specifically (except for one that addresses the obvious problem we have of high costs) so people could expound on why the prefer, mostly prefer, slightly prefer, or don’t prefer our system of delivering healthcare, just as you did.

Thanks for your explanation. You are right that healthcare is and extremely complex issue.
 
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#96
OHvol40 said:
I tried to make answer choices that didn’t address any issue specifically (except for one that addresses the obvious problem we have of high costs) so people could expound on why the prefer, mostly prefer, slightly prefer, or don’t prefer our system of delivering healthcare, just as you did.

Thanks for your explanation. You are right that healthcare is and extremely complex issue.
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It's an interconnected mess. I think insurance and bringing lawyers into the matter made things worse. Then the requirements for that same insurance made it worse. The red tape both on healthcare and insurance made it even worse.

One thing I wouldnt mind being looked at from other countries is how doctors and lawyers are generally very limited in how they can advertise. How many advertisements for a pill that treat everything from bad backs, to ED, to a skin rash, to some terrible form of cancer, with an even longer list of side effects, are out there? Why?

I get the recall ones. But not the fishing expeditions. It weights the conversations these patients have with their doctors. It weighs their expectation. It's all part of the generally privileged lives we lead.
 
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