Where do you stand on Healthcare?

[ajvol01]

Realistically? For now probably a government option for coverage intended to drive down the cost of private insurance.

Long term, probably a Medicare for all type model.

The government option (ACA) has driven up the cost of all private health insurance.

 

[OHvol40]

Should doctors pay be cut to a maximum amount?

Or only the executives pay should be cut?

Good luck getting quality care once the doctors’ pay gets put on price controls.

Quality has nothing to do with it. Our outcomes typically aren’t any better than countries that employ universal coverage. Often, ours are worse.

 

[hog88]

Quality has nothing to do with it. Our outcomes typically aren’t any better than countries that employ universal coverage. Often, ours are worse.

Please back up that claim with data.

 

[OHvol40]

The government option (ACA) has driven up the cost of all private health insurance.

That is a bastardized program. I’m talking about a true government insurance option to compete with private insurance.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I suggest that healthcare motivated by profit is at odds with the nature of healthcare. It’s an inherent conflict of interest.

The reason healthcare is so much more expensive in this country is that people here are burdened with supporting billionaire executives from insurance and pharmaceutical companies and the millionaires that work for them. That isn’t a patient-centered system, it’s a profit factory.

My suggestion is removing profit to benefit the patient population.

It worked great until “insurance” was invented. Hell they even got creative in bartering compensation.

The creation of insurance just spawned parallel evil jobs like coding, billing obscuration, needless administration. That is all needless cling ons to the only commodity of use, medical care

 

[NorthDallas40]

Please back up that claim with data.

Oh you’ve done it now

 

[hog88]

That is a bastardized program. I’m talking about a true government insurance option to compete with private insurance.

So in your plan people purchase insurance from the government?

 

[ajvol01]

Quality has nothing to do with it. Our outcomes typically aren’t any better than countries that employ universal coverage. Often, ours are worse.

I’m not talking about outcomes.

I’m talking about access. The shortage of doctors will be significant.

There’s a good reason Canadians come to the US for medical care - they can’t receive or don’t want to wait for the same care in Canada.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm not seeing the Cowboys vs Commies option.

That could solve a lot of health care problems.

 

[hog88]

It worked great until “insurance” was invented. Hell they even got creative in bartering compensation.

The creation of insurance just spawned parallel evil jobs like coding, billing obscuration, needless administration. That is all needless cling ons to the only commodity of use, medical care

Remember when people used to just have major medical, what is commonly referred to as a catastrophic plan and payed most routine dr bills out of pocket?

 

[ajvol01]

So in your plan people purchase insurance from the government?

Lulz

 

[OHvol40]

Please back up that claim with data.

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

How Does the U.S. Healthcare System Compare to Other Countries?

“Higher healthcare spending can be beneficial if it results in better health outcomes. However, that’s not the case in the United States. Despite significantly higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, and unmanaged diabetes.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

Remember when people used to just have major medical, what is commonly referred to as a catastrophic plan and payed most routine dr bills out of pocket?

Yep. And when you went to the admin desk on the way out of the Dr office after you got your stitches or antibiotic script you settled your account right then or started installments.

But as soon as corporate money got involved with deep pockets using it as a talent acquisition tool and the government dipped its toe in too now it’s unaffordable.

That isn’t the fault of healthcare providers.

 

[OHvol40]

I’m not talking about outcomes.

I’m talking about access. The shortage of doctors will be significant.

There’s a good reason Canadians come to the US for medical care - they can’t receive or don’t want to wait for the same care in Canada.

More US citizens go abroad for healthcare than vice versa.

 

[NorthDallas40]

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

How Does the U.S. Healthcare System Compare to Other Countries?

“Higher healthcare spending can be beneficial if it results in better health outcomes. However, that’s not the case in the United States. Despite significantly higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, and unmanaged diabetes.”

Then let’s get insurance and the government out of subsidizing the costs and let the demand determine the real cost. Ain’t capitalism great?

 

[NorthDallas40]

That is a bastardized program. I’m talking about a true government insurance option to compete with private insurance.

No thank you. Let’s do away with all subsidized funds behind medical care. Let demand determine the price.

 

[zeppelin128]

Medicare for all who want it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Medicare for all who want it.

No

 

[hog88]

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

How Does the U.S. Healthcare System Compare to Other Countries?

“Higher healthcare spending can be beneficial if it results in better health outcomes. However, that’s not the case in the United States. Despite significantly higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, and unmanaged diabetes.”

Explain to me how any of the three links compares quality of care between us and other countries. Every one of your links goes to personal life choices and NOT to the results of treatments.

 

[hog88]

Yep. And when you went to the admin desk on the way out of the Dr office after you got your stitches or antibiotic script you settled your account right then or started installments.

But as soon as corporate money got involved with deep pockets using it as a talent acquisition tool and the government dipped its toe in too now it’s unaffordable.

That isn’t the fault of healthcare providers.

Yep. My parents kept a savings account to cover the broken bones, stitches and other dumb boy stuff me and my brothers did.

 

[hog88]

Medicare for all who want it.

Joe is that you?

 

[zeppelin128]

No

Booooo

 

[zeppelin128]

Joe is that you?

Pete, but whatev.

 

[OHvol40]

Then let’s get insurance and the government out of subsidizing the costs and let the demand determine the real cost. Ain’t capitalism great?

Insurance providers used to be a check/balance on healthcare provider cost. Now, in many instances, the insurance provider and healthcare provider are one in the same. The insurance/provider gives network exclusivity eliminating any competition from other insurers and/or providers. They determine what you are charged and since there is no longer an independent insurance company to check or negotiate those charges, the expenses are passed along to the consumer. It’s a fantastic monopoly for these people to profit from illness.

To “get things back to the way they used to be” you have to eliminate these monopolies.

 

[OHvol40]

Explain to me how any of the three links compares quality of care between us and other countries. Every one of your links goes to personal life choices and NOT to the results of treatments.

Sure it does. You have to read them in their entirety. I’m not going to extract the information for you.