Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[05_never_again]

if you were to hire Cut now, you know that is only a stop gap move, and you simply have to have another move already planned for 2-3 years down the line. and not the framework of plan or an idea of a plan...an actual plan. becuase you're gonna be doing the hire a coach thing yet again...soon.

so how you build the roster, your recruiting philosophy etc...all has to be lined up for the immediate future with Cut, and the "after cut" future as well.

and to me, that sounds like a lot to align for a program that has sucked azz at doing this for as long as we have.

but wth. we've tried err'thing else. what could it hurt at this point lol?

Ironically that was the same thought about Cut when we had the chance to hire him after Kiffin bolted. Hammy told him he couldn't bring his staff over so the discussion ended up being moot, but there was a lot of talk here like "Eh, I dunno, he might only stick around a couple years then retire, he has a history of heart trouble, we'd have to plan for both him and someone to succeed him."

11 seasons later, he's still at Duke.

Tennessee had two "outs" very early in the post-Fulmer era. We could have hired Patterson instead of Kiffin, and we could have had Cut instead of Dooley. We failed epically both times, and it's like we've been trapped ever since.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Why in the shite balls would you be ok with Les Miles? Dude has proven that he can only win with elite talent. Like crazy elite talent. We aren’t out-talenting our rivals.

We need a creative offensive mind.

I'll admit he ain't no Doug Marrone or Tom Herman but he's at least had proven success in the SEC. He never had a losing season at LSU, finished in the top 25 most years, and could probably be successful here too. I think he could be another Barnes type hire. He's not my top choice this time but he wouldn't be a horrible hire. (He does clap funny, that would probably be his biggest weakness.)

114-34 in 11 seasons at LSU
1 National Championship
2 SEC championships
3 Western Division Championships

*He recruited the elite talent you're talking about.

 

[LA Vol]

I agree with everything but I don't give two poots about Skanky, he does us no favors. He continually screws us over.

On one hand, I agree; on the other, it could be worse. So much stuff goes through the conference and we're actually building a little favor with Sankey. It's not just the SEC, though.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

honesty, considering the things the head coach needs to do, Cut would be a great hire. He would be the CEO, head figure that we need.

Hire a great DC and keep hands off.

Hire an OC that fits his philosophy and can keep up with the changing offensive dynamics.

Manage the coaches, the AD, the boosters and hire some ace recruiters and developmental coaches.

Game on.

Amen brother! Plus our QB room would be stacked and we all know you win with QB play in college.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I know a VFL who would drive there with Peyton tomorrow and make sure Cut comes home. He would be a legend here if we won a title after we have been down so long. Tell me a better hire that everyone (VFL’s, boosters, fans, etc.) could get behind.

I'd drive to Neyland and make my first donation in 10 years. I love the man. I just don't see it as realistic.

 

[jakez4ut]

Ironically that was the same thought about Cut when we had the chance to hire him after Kiffin bolted. Hammy told him he couldn't bring his staff over so the discussion ended up being moot, but there was a lot of talk here like "Eh, I dunno, he might only stick around a couple years then retire, he has a history of heart trouble, we'd have to plan for both him and someone to succeed him."

11 seasons later, he's still at Duke.

yeah...ironic doesn't begin to cover it.

and i remember being for hiring Cut back then. the "you can't bring your staff" deal was, to me, an effort to cut ties with the fulmer era all together.....MH et al was hell bent on that.

 

[BJWeeks]

If you're talking about Freeze, he might be a sitting HC with SEC experience, but he certainly would not be a great fit that would be embraced by all. Hiring him would come with issues and cause even greater ones. He wouldn't bring stability and giving Sankey the finger is hardly going to create goodwill. I get it-- VN doesn't care. Others do.

And most of these names people are throwing out are exactly who SCAR is looking to hire.

Winning cures all

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Bailey, Salter, Simpson and Manning---all at the same time? We've basically got two of them but that's really a stretch to think we can get all four of them. There's only one football and that just doesn't work with the four guys mentioned. Sounds good but I doubt it will happen no matter who our coach is.

Simpson and Arch’s nephew would 100% come here if cut was our head coach.

 

[RikidyBones]

I’m not limiting Tennessee to that statement. Tennessee has always been pioneers when it comes to that stuff whether it be women or men. I’m talking about Major sports as a whole. Especially in the NFL when you got proven failure retreads like Adam Gase getting jobs but guys like Robert Salah or Eric Bieniemy that aren’t getting them it’s weird.

I don't think it's systemic. I think it's bad management. Adam Gase is a clown. I'd like to see Bieniemy get a shot but would he take the Jets job? Maybe. No offense but that organization has been a dumpster fire for more than a minute.

 

[yourstruly23]

if you were to hire Cut now, you know that is only a stop gap move, and you simply have to have another move already planned for 2-3 years down the line. and not the framework of plan or an idea of a plan...an actual plan. becuase you're gonna be doing the hire a coach thing yet again...soon.

so how you build the roster, your recruiting philosophy etc...all has to be lined up for the immediate future with Cut, and the "after cut" future as well.

and to me, that sounds like a lot to align for a program that has sucked azz at doing this for as long as we have.

but wth. we've tried err'thing else. what could it hurt at this point lol?

If and I mean a BIG if, they are wanting Tee to take over, this is the way. Let Tee sit under Cut for 3 years, learn what he needs to learn, and you a have a seamless transition....

 

[05_never_again]

yeah...ironic doesn't begin to cover it.

and i remember being for hiring Cut back then. the "you can't bring your staff" deal was, to me, an effort to cut ties with the fulmer era all together.....MH et al was hell bent on that.

Yep. It was as if goal #1 wasn't to restore the football program, but to get away from any association with the Fulmer Era. Which is also incredibly ironic, because supposedly Hammy got the job after being pretty strongly vouched for by Fulmer.

 

[Batman1948]

Ironically that was the same thought about Cut when we had the chance to hire him after Kiffin bolted. Hammy told him he couldn't bring his staff over so the discussion ended up being moot, but there was a lot of talk here like "Eh, I dunno, he might only stick around a couple years then retire, he has a history of heart trouble, we'd have to plan for both him and someone to succeed him."

11 seasons later, he's still at Duke.

Tennessee had two "outs" very early in the post-Fulmer era. We could have hired Patterson instead of Kiffin, and we could have had Cut instead of Dooley. We failed epically both times, and it's like we've been trapped ever since.

Doesn't Meyer have a history of heart problems? Or is it a history with NCAA issues his heart problem?

 

[05_never_again]

I don't think it's systemic. I think it's bad management. Adam Gase is a clown. I'd like to see Bieniemy get a shot but would he take the Jets job? Maybe. No offense but that organization has been a dumpster fire for more than a minute.

Only an idiot would take that Jets job. It has been incompetently owned and operated for years, and when you fail that idiotic, tabloid, click-baity NYC media eats you alive.

 

[MarcoVol]

I'll admit he ain't no Doug Marrone or Tom Herman but he's at least had proven success in the SEC. He never had a losing season at LSU, finished in the top 25 most years, and could probably be successful here too. I think he could be another Barnes type hire. He's not my top choice this time but he wouldn't be a horrible hire. (He does clap funny, that would probably be his biggest weakness.)

114-34 in 11 seasons at LSU
1 National Championship
2 SEC championships
3 Western Division Championships

He walked into a ready made championship team at LSU. Saban literally won national championship 2 seasons before. He WAS able to keep the momentum, so that’s good. But we ain’t 2005 LSU.

Our team is not championship caliber.

 

[Jimmy Football]

If and I mean a BIG if, they are wanting Tee to take over, this is the way. Let Tee sit under Cut for 3 years, learn what he needs to learn, and you a have a seamless transition....

Theoretically, yes. This is Tennessee, though. We’ll find the d**n seams.

 

[RiotVol]

he would come now with Fulmer

I'll never forget the rehab job that Cut did with Ainge in one offseason. It was evident the very first series against Cal.

The issue would be recruiting, but good lord imagine what he could do with Harrison Bailey.

 

[#JuanVol]

Call that Greenville DIII school that’s been giving up 170+ points.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Theoretically, yes. This is Tennessee, though. We’ll find the d**n seams.

"Tennessee Football, we'll find the damn seams."

I am crying laughing at my desk.

 

[Aesius]

Is Hugh Freeze a less accomplished version of Gus Malzahn who simply never stayed at Ole Miss long enough for the fans to get tired of him the same way that Auburn fans are tired of Gus?

 

[05_never_again]

Doesn't Meyer have a history of heart problems? Or is it a history with NCAA issues his heart problem?

Urban's "heart problems" appear to be aggravated by 1) losing key players from your good teams or 2) having personnel issues exposed in the media.

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure whatever health problems he claims to have are legit, but they only become an issue when he's allegedly cheating on his wife with coeds, has personnel issues with assistant coaches, key players from national title teams graduate, etc. He resigned at UF because the job was too stressful and aggravated heart problems, then wound up 2 years later at Ohio St. lol

 

[pierce60]

Cut would immediately stabilize the one position we’ve struggled with for over a decade (save Dobbs, but his was more athleticism) and the most important position in college football...QB.

Then, like has been said, you get good coaches and ace recruiters around him and go play ball!

 

[BJWeeks]

If you're talking about Freeze, he might be a sitting HC with SEC experience, but he certainly would not be a great fit that would be embraced by all. Hiring him would come with issues and cause even greater ones. He wouldn't bring stability and giving Sankey the finger is hardly going to create goodwill. I get it-- VN doesn't care. Others do.

And most of these names people are throwing out are exactly who SCAR is looking to hire.

Whoever doesn't embrace Freeze as head coach then they can be let go.

 

[LA Vol]

It's a complicated thing. Duke loves him and he's probably going to get a statue or the stadium named after him when he's done. I've also heard people say he's got a job in the athletic department lined up whenever he wants it. At the same time, he has to acknowledge his age and the simple fact that it looks like his time is winding down there as head coach. If he wants to get an opportunity at a big program one last time, we're the only one that would consider it. I also wonder if he would be swayed at all if Peyton or Archie called and said, "hey, we can't send Arch to Duke. But we could send him to Tennessee if you were there."

Tennessee is home for him and his family. I think his daughters are still here and they and his wife are UT alums. I don't know for sure if Fulmer tried in 2017 - I think he did but Cut quickly rebuffed him.

This is what I was going to say-- and it's about the only path that hasn't been tried. His interest has been gauged many times by many people close to him-- including Peyton and Fulmer. IDK if he's even the right guy, and IDT he cares about one more ride at UT or anywhere else. He certainly isn't pining for a rebuild or looking for a new challenge, but I think he might find coaching Arch intriguing. But Arch may not be interested in coming to UT-- and his family isn't going to push him here. So there would be multiple humps to overcome.

Basically, Cut's happy where he is and where he's at in life.

 

[05_never_again]

Is Hugh Freeze a less accomplished version of Gus Malzahn who simply never stayed at Ole Miss long enough for the fans to get tired of him the same way that Auburn fans are tired of Gus?

I think that's a totally fair comparison, and I've been sympathetic to hiring Freeze. Ole Miss also has lower expectations than Auburn...it's more OK at Ole Miss to have your big victories come with some disappointing losses. Hell, at this point I'd be sympathetic to hiring Gus too.

I know that Auburn fans are put out with him, but I don't think they realize how easy it would have been for Auburn to go completely AWOL since Saban got there. I mean like Tennessee bad. Instead they've won a title and played for another, won the SEC twice and played for another, had a Heisman winner, and beaten Alabama 4 times since Saban got there. As a Vol, I'd kill for any one of those things.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Is Hugh Freeze a less accomplished version of Gus Malzahn who simply never stayed at Ole Miss long enough for the fans to get tired of him the same way that Auburn fans are tired of Gus?

Auburn is delusional though. I’d kill for Gus’s record and performance.