Why dont fans support this program no matter how bad the times get?

[Volsfaninva917]

Ironic that you're actually the one of us who is trying to split the board into the categories of True Vol Fans, and NegaVols™.

Damn labels

 

[sjt18]

You have to keep supporting this team if you are a VFL.

Dude. I've "supported this team for about 30 years. It isn't "supporting this team" if you don't demand BETTER RESULTS. What kind of "support" do you think it is to excuse and rationalize losing and lowering the bar?

 

[m1al]

Did you go back and listen to the press conferences. Pull up the time on Finebaum he told all the negative fanbase to f=$& off. You obviously don't think that fans being negative jerks matter, probably means that you like folks that are chuckle heads. You're on here just to antagonize folks for kicks anyway so why would you care what some fan thinks of our NegaVol fanbase.

I don't give a sh!t what he told the fans and if you think that had the slightest affect on them (other than piss a few off) then you're not very bright. Also, you equate genuine criticism with being a "negative jerk" which further demonstrates a lack of intelligence.

As far as the board goes, people like you trying to tell others what to think and say is absolutely entertaining... So please, keep right on talking, entertaining and removing all doubt for everyone..

 

[sjt18]

Something you have no clue about. You're not a Vol fan, you're here simply to try and divide folks.

Not only are you a hypocrite... you have no self-awareness.

 

[Mightyvol]

Depends on if you were one of the ones doing the same complaining every day 12 years ago that got us into this situation. The NegaVols all claimed that all we had to do was get rid of Fulmer and move on that it would be easy to get a great coach here. How well did that work then, about the same way all the moaning and groaning is doing now I'd say.

You forgot the blue font. If you believe fans got the UT football program into this situation, you need help. Incompetent UTAdmin personnel, in many roles, hired incompetent AD's and HC's. The UT fanbase is one best, if not the best fanbase in America. You should worry when they stop complaining about inferior coaching and playing. I can't decide if you are just stirring the pot or are just ignorant.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Not only are you a hypocrite... you have no self-awareness.

Like his hero JG who shoot metaphorical arrows in the air while down by 5 TDs

 

[sjt18]

You're labeled a NegaVol too, it's not hard to spot you guys.

Just today you threw the D under the bus in trying to excuse JG's poor play. Does that make you a Negavol too? Or is one only a Negavol if they criticize players that you idolize?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Oh... I'd say there are a couple more groups.

One are simply hopeful realists. I hope... but I don't close my eyes like supposed "positive" fans do. I also do not assume the worst or make concrete predictions of doom like the few truly "negative" people here do. I hope for and want the best... but understand that some things are more reasonable objects of hope than others.

Take Pulaski for example. He still doesn't want to admit that we were right about JG's inabilities. The fact that we wouldn't let him "be right" makes us "Negavols".

I started this season saying that UT could be a very good team with MUCH better QB play. So I was "positive" about the D, OL, WR's, TE's, RB's, and kickers. I had a lot positive and very little negative to say about those groups or players in those groups. The D has been a disappointment. I think some of that relates back to the anemic O and QB play but they have not been good. No way to sugar coat what they've looked like at times. They could have "set the tone" for the team even without a good O. At times it seemed the were close to doing so. But opponents found some weaknesses that just haven't been resolved.

I believe fully that most of what's wrong with the O starts with the QB. What he cannot do allows D's to focus their defense on other things UT tries to do especially the run game. I still think UT's OL could have been one of the better OL's in the country. I still like UT's RB's. I love the young receivers and was really excited about Hyatt before the season. I like what Fant is doing.

But Pulaski was a JG groupie... he had a cult like blindness to the guy's lack of effectiveness. So anyone who won't agree with him on JG is automatically a "Negavol" and "NeverJGer". Two pretty stupid labels tbh.

That's not true to how I feel. It's not hard to spot the negative Nancies and you're one of the ring leaders. I don't have a problem with criticism, whether aimed at the Vols or me, it's the garbage negative hyperbole that you an those like you continue to spew. Funny thing is I agree with you more often than not about our team but once you started calling me a liar and a coward that ended any chance of me respecting you or your opinion as I'm 100 pct sure that you would not say that to my face unless you were just trying to provoke a fight, something you do behind your keyboard through anonymity every single day on this forum.

 

[hog88]

Did you go back and listen to the press conferences. Pull up the time on Finebaum he told all the negative fanbase to f=$& off. You obviously don't think that fans being negative jerks matter, probably means that you like folks that are chuckle heads. You're on here just to antagonize folks for kicks anyway so why would you care what some fan thinks of our NegaVol fanbase.

And if Saban had a season like we're having after telling the fans to piss off he'd have been fired. Winning covers a multitude of sins.

 

[sjt18]

You forgot the blue font. If you believe fans got the UT football program into this situation, you need help. Incompetent UTAdmin personnel, in many roles, hired incompetent AD's and HC's. The UT fanbase is one best, if not the best fanbase in America. You should worry when they stop complaining about inferior coaching and playing. I can't decide if you are just stirring the pot or are just ignorant.

Wow. Probably the best post in this thread. Hats off to you!

 

[508mikey]

So lets try this. Let's say that Pruitt is a dandruff shampoo and that Kentucky, Arkansas, Georgia State and BYU are all dandruff.

You go to the store and buy Pruitt dandruff shampoo and it still does not beat dandruff very often, are you going to continue to buy Pruitt dandruff shampoo?

Some people will, as they really like the TV commercials and will continue to buy the product that is just not working well, but others are going to say "hey, that's not working" and switch to another shampoo (coach).

Let's be honest, what teams were involved in the 8 game winning streak and how many of those teams have now fired their coach (SC 2 games, Miss St 1 game, Vandy 1game, Missouri 1 game), that means that in those 8 wins more than 1/2 the coaches were fired (counting Muschamp twice).

Please tell me where I'm wrong about the 8 game winning streak and how many of those coaches are still coaching that team.

Also let me know which of these 8 teams are teams that Tennessee should not beat almost every time we play them.

bad example -- Beldar is bald

 

[jaybird_1981]

If you are still posting on VN I don't think your loyalty can be questioned. The people that post here are the true diehards.

 

[m1al]

Oh no...who labeled me? Was it the fan-police?

You have been labeled...

Too the gulag with you for re-education...

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I don't give a sh!t what he told the fans and if you think that had the slightest affect on them (other than piss a few off) then you're not very bright. Also, you equate genuine criticism with being a "negative jerk" which further demonstrates a lack of intelligence.

As far as the board goes, people like you trying to tell others what to think and say is absolutely entertaining... So please, keep right on talking, entertaining and removing all doubt for everyone..

Keep antagonizing everyone every single day if it makes you happy! Not a good look I feel. I'm happy to label you to the NegaVol list, you've certainly earned it.

 

[TnVol!]

I have supported UT athletics since 1957. Its time to clean up the manure in the football barn. Until its done I'm going to criticize and quit following if necessary. There is no excuse for what is going on.

 

[Vol524]

Why do so many fans have to be fair weather fans and only support a program when they are winning? I think if you are a VFL you will support this team and program no matter how many games they win.

OP while there is a lot of bitching and moaning going on in here it is not the majority of fans. Most fans are sick of not winning, I know I am. But, I am a VFL. I don't care who the coach is, I am a VFL.
I am a fan of the Team not the coach. Coaches come and go but I WILL ALWAYS cheer for the ORANGE. I don't care if it is the Chess team, if there is a VOL there I am pulling for them to win.
GO BIG ORANGE

 

[Proud Army Wife]

WTF are you talking about? UT has the most loyal fanbase in college football. 90k plus still pack the stadium after 12 years of suck, you see people wearing swag all over the world and the most telling sign of how great this fanbase is is that we still care. We still care after the administration has shown they DGAF about championship level football, we still care even though there is no sign of hope for better days, we still care even though we KNOW a POS Gump will still be driving our beloved football program off the cliff next season.

GTF out of here with this "fair weather fan" bull! Few fan bases remain as loyal and caring as ours after over a decade of being fed crap.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You forgot the blue font. If you believe fans got the UT football program into this situation, you need help. Incompetent UTAdmin personnel, in many roles, hired incompetent AD's and HC's. The UT fanbase is one best, if not the best fanbase in America. You should worry when they stop complaining about inferior coaching and playing. I can't decide if you are just stirring the pot or are just ignorant.

Another backhanded 5th grade you're just ignorant quote, haven't heard that one to my face since middle school. Must be easy to do when nobody knows who you are.

 

[90 Vol]

All valid points except for your sports predictions as we've no idea what will happen the rest of the way, why play the games when all we have to do is predict who wins? I don't think anyone is happy with the truths you stated, I'm certainly not.

It's not absolutely certain but our current trajectory suggests that we're about to get taken to the woodshed in our next 2 games. This downward spiral is at a level that routinely gets coached fired. It's bad right now and we've all seen this movie before. Once the snowball starts down the hill, it's not going to get any smaller. BTW, there's no fair weather bandwagon fans left. Dooley and Butch took care of that. What you're seeing is not bitter negavols that rejoice in the demise of the team. What you're seeing (and I'm one of them) is a growing segment of the fanbase that's fed up with mediocrity and downright $hitty football from the team we love. We have the fanbase, facilities, tradition, and resources to be a top football program. Folks are tired of seeing the program driven into the ground by incompetence and we're tired of the excuses.

 

[GVol1966]

Why do so many fans have to be fair weather fans and only support a program when they are winning? I think if you are a VFL you will support this team and program no matter how many games they win.

Define support.

 

[rikberry31]

Oh... I'd say there are a couple more groups.

One are simply hopeful realists. I hope... but I don't close my eyes like supposed "positive" fans do. I also do not assume the worst or make concrete predictions of doom like the few truly "negative" people here do. I hope for and want the best... but understand that some things are more reasonable objects of hope than others.

Take Pulaski for example. He still doesn't want to admit that we were right about JG's inabilities. The fact that we wouldn't let him "be right" makes us "Negavols".

I started this season saying that UT could be a very good team with MUCH better QB play. So I was "positive" about the D, OL, WR's, TE's, RB's, and kickers. I had a lot positive and very little negative to say about those groups or players in those groups. The D has been a disappointment. I think some of that relates back to the anemic O and QB play but they have not been good. No way to sugar coat what they've looked like at times. They could have "set the tone" for the team even without a good O. At times it seemed the were close to doing so. But opponents found some weaknesses that just haven't been resolved.

I believe fully that most of what's wrong with the O starts with the QB. What he cannot do allows D's to focus their defense on other things UT tries to do especially the run game. I still think UT's OL could have been one of the better OL's in the country. I still like UT's RB's. I love the young receivers and was really excited about Hyatt before the season. I like what Fant is doing.

But Pulaski was a JG groupie... he had a cult like blindness to the guy's lack of effectiveness. So anyone who won't agree with him on JG is automatically a "Negavol" and "NeverJGer". Two pretty stupid labels tbh.

There are definitely sub groups to each side. I am a realist but look for the good instead beating dead horses ad nausea. I spent a lot of time, money, cheers, and tears on the Vols and football in general. I know a little and baby I’ll guess the rest.

 

[sjt18]

That's not true to how I feel.

With ALL due respect to your "feelings"... it is what your words in total communicate.

It's not hard to spot the negative Nancies and you're one of the ring leaders.

Right. You need labels because you don't have facts. I've pretty consistently defended Pruitt and am just now truly beginning to give up on him. I've said a lot of positive things about MOST of this team. But you cannot take valid criticism of JG. That makes you deluded... it doesn't make me a "negative nancy" or any of your other idiotic, "5th grade" labels.

I don't have a problem with criticism, whether aimed at the Vols or me, it's the garbage negative hyperbole that you an those like you continue to spew.

LOL@U. Seriously? I haven't used "hyperbole" any more than you and likely a lot less. I have made very concrete, specific, objective and consistent criticisms of JG's ability. I have praised his character and toughness. I've given him credit for the things he does well and has improved on. So yeah... you have a REAL problem with balanced criticism of JG. The really "funny" thing is... that you never answered me with substance but instead resorted to the sophomoric namecalling you have used in this very thread. You have handwaved as if your mere dismissal of something you didn't want to see was "proof".

Funny thing is I agree with you more often than not about our team but once you started calling me a liar and a coward that ended any chance of me respecting you or your opinion as I'm 100 pct sure that you would not say that to my face unless you were just trying to provoke a fight, something you do behind your keyboard through anonymity every single day on this forum.

If you do not want to be called a liar then don't lie. I don't use the label frequently or lightly. But when you have repeatedly been corrected with proof and continue to repeat the same false statements... you are lying. That's what you did. When you apologize for lying... then I for one will not consider you a liar any more.

If you think I'm afraid of confrontation when necessary in "real life"... I could give you some good references from my work life. Thing is... in "real life" people who have weak arguments are generally prone to looking for a way to reconcile. They abandon positions that the facts do not support. That's not you on this board.

 

[m1al]

Keep antagonizing everyone every single day if it makes you happy! Not a good look I feel. I'm happy to label you to the NegaVol list, you've certainly earned it.

I'm only antagonizing you at the moment and I think I'm doing a half way decent job of it...

I've been here for almost 12 yrs now and have seen many come and go. I think I've got a pretty good grip on who might be a nega. I don't always agree with sj18 but he's NOT a nega and if you are familiar with my history you'd know I'm not either...

It seems to me that anyone that disagrees with you is considered a nega... Especially anyone that criticizes JG....

You take this stuff WAY to seriously....

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

It's not absolutely certain but our current trajectory suggests that we're about to get taken to the woodshed in our next 2 games. This downward spiral is at a level that routinely gets coached fired. It's bad right now and we've all seen this movie before. Once the snowball starts down the hill, it's not going to get any smaller. BTW, there's no fair weather bandwagon fans left. Dooley and Butch took care of that. What you're seeing is not bitter negavols that rejoice in the demise of the team. What you're seeing (and I'm one of them) is a growing segment of the fanbase that's fed up with mediocrity and downright $hitty football from the team we love. We have the fanbase, facilities, tradition, and resources to be a top football program. Folks are tired of seeing the program driven into the ground by incompetence and we're tired of the excuses.

Regardless of how fans feel about the program the negative stain the NegaVols have put on the program is not going to rub off just because we keep throwing millions every 4 years at the problem. You guys act like it's an easy fix and it's simply not. We've tried to hire some big names since Fulmer and we've not had any success getting them. I don't understand why fans think that we just open up the checkbook that great coaches will come a calling. We've been idiots with our coach searches and the instability within the program and the fickle crying immature portion of our fanbase is not helping to attract any big names that would come here for the type of useless punishment the NegaVols like to dish out.

 

[LittleVol]

Why do so many fans have to be fair weather fans and only support a program when they are winning? I think if you are a VFL you will support this team and program no matter how many games they win.

You can't just ask a blanket statement like that. You act like UT is just now begun to fall.

It's real simple man. Most fans wouldn't be that upset if they knew our roster was that of a Vanderbilt or a Syracuse. But we have talent young or experienced and yet still...

We are getting beaten by teams not as talented as we are , and getting STOMPED by our 3 main rivals.
- On Average we lose to Bama, UGA, and Florida by 24 points over the past 3 years!!