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HankHill said:
New coach is getting 3 years basically guaranteed. Pruitt will be lucky to be here next year. We’ve seen this same thing happen with Dooley.
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Wasn’t Muschamp’s deal guaranteed?
 
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snowvols said:
FSU's highest rated commit just decommitted. 4* QB from Mississippi. Probably headed to Ole Miss.
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Altmeyer? I've seen that kid play a bunch, and I'm not even convinced he's the best qb on his team. Freddie Milons's nephew a natural with a killer instinct at qb, but is riding the pine because Altmeyer's dad bought the high school a new turf field among all of the other booster things he pays for.
 
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LA Vol said:
His contract is expiring. He was the only assistant renewed last time; there's little enthusiasm for it this year.
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What is Fulmer's problem with Freeze? Surely its not Michael Oher going to Ole Miss.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Brought this over from FF:
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From the quote you provided:


UT averaged 74,000 people actually in the stands per game last season. That's 28,000 empty seats. Add up ticket cost, concessions etc for those seats and you're looking roughly 10-12 million in lost revenue each season. Add that up for two or three seasons and it dwarfs the buyouts.

So the "can we afford to keep him" argument is legit. It was a major factor in South Carolina firing Muschamp early too. They feared he would cost them more than his buyout.

I mean, sounds good in theory but kind of false math. It’s assuming whatever new hire would automatically lead to sell outs. Highly doubtful. What has the yearly average attendance been the past 5 or so years?

Pruitt isn’t the reason we had 28k empty seats a game last year. It’s the teams perpetual dysfunction the past 13 years that led to it. And hiring a Napier or McGoogle isn’t going to lead to sell outs.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
BTW it's Phil's fault UT would owe Pruitt 12 million, it would have been around 5 without that stupid extension and raise. That right there is enough for UT to tell Fulmer's fat ass to kick rocks
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That extension isn’t an albatross. $7M can be overcome. Inconsequential. James Franklin’s buyout... now THATS a curse.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Does it have to do with his time at Briarcrest? Not specifically Oher, but just in general? Or just his notoriety overall?
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This is another reason why "this is Freeze's dream job" is a narrative that Freeze has created. Aside from him being born in Oxford and growing up in Mississippi, if he had an affinity to UT, he would have encouraged Oher to consider UT, especially since Fulmer was a former OL coach. I know the history with the Tuohy's, but Freeze certainly helped as well and was hired by OM shortly thereafter.

Considering that history along with the NCAA issues at OM, and Fulmer doesn't care for the guy.
 
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I4Jay said:
We don’t need an offensive minded coach, we need a leader. There’s about 50+ innovative offensive coaches on staffs scattered around the country who you can bring in and scheme up offense.
We need a head coach who can run & control the entire program, create and cultivate relationships and hold players and coaches accountable.
we haven’t had one that can do all three in over 20 years.
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The problem is so many defensive coaches still want to be typical DCs and marginalize the offense.

That's the biggest reason I want someone from the offensive side. It also helps to have the same offense over time, otherwise you're chasing OCs that can completely handle it themselves and even then you may end up in a Chaney-Pruitt situation.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
From the quote you provided:


UT averaged 74,000 people actually in the stands per game last season. That's 28,000 empty seats. Add up ticket cost, concessions etc for those seats and you're looking roughly 10-12 million in lost revenue each season. Add that up for two or three seasons and it dwarfs the buyouts.

So the "can we afford to keep him" argument is legit. It was a major factor in South Carolina firing Muschamp early too. They feared he would cost them more than his buyout.

I mean, sounds good in theory but kind of false math. It’s assuming whatever new hire would automatically lead to sell outs. Highly doubtful. What has the yearly average attendance been the past 5 or so years?

Pruitt isn’t the reason we had 28k empty seats a game last year. It’s the teams perpetual dysfunction the past 13 years that led to it. And hiring a Napier or McGoogle isn’t going to lead to sell outs.
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Yeah I can agree. Only a few coaches would immediately lead to sellouts upon hiring. Urban, Freeze (maybe), those type of guys.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
BTW it's Phil's fault UT would owe Pruitt 12 million, it would have been around 5 without that stupid extension and raise. That right there is enough for UT to tell Fulmer's fat ass to kick rocks
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Everyone dying to run off Phil. It’s like we don’t remember how things turned the last time we ran off Phil.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Exactly!!! It is going to cost more keeping Pruitt and paying out even more assistants buy outs next year than canning him now and hiring a proven coach. Neyland will be half full and they will lose much more than Pruitts buyout. Plus it is paid out over five years.
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It will get worse if UT continues to suck. Kids are not going to grow up pulling for them. A team that continually underperforms and claims they were college football royalty. The younger generations haven't seen evidence of that.
 
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I’ve never owned my own business but been store/sales manager in several. One thing I learned the hard way was once you come to the conclusion an employee isn’t going to cut it, make the move immediately. Granted I didn’t have buyouts to consider but they seldom work out..
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
From the quote you provided:


UT averaged 74,000 people actually in the stands per game last season. That's 28,000 empty seats. Add up ticket cost, concessions etc for those seats and you're looking roughly 10-12 million in lost revenue each season. Add that up for two or three seasons and it dwarfs the buyouts.

So the "can we afford to keep him" argument is legit. It was a major factor in South Carolina firing Muschamp early too. They feared he would cost them more than his buyout.

I mean, sounds good in theory but kind of false math. It’s assuming whatever new hire would automatically lead to sell outs. Highly doubtful. What has the yearly average attendance been the past 5 or so years?

Pruitt isn’t the reason we had 28k empty seats a game last year. It’s the teams perpetual dysfunction the past 13 years that led to it. And hiring a Napier or McGoogle isn’t going to lead to sell outs.
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Not sure I believe that 74,000 number. I only attend one game a year, and I was at the MSU game. There were more than that, and UGA, USC, and BYU most certainly had 90k+.
 
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