2020 Presidential Race

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RockyTop85 said:
The idea that the Russians changed votes through hacking has been generally well debunked and that seems to have been accepted by almost all people. Maybe I’m missing some sizable contingent of believers, because I’m not one of them.
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Don't play stupid. The allegations were different. The story was Russians bought social media ads and had bots trying to influence voters online.
 
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Stew Cook said:
After Rudy and Sidney yesterday, who could blame Dominion opting to not sit down for a clown show.

I think "talk to our attorney" is the standard protocol, when expecting to walk into a media spectacle ambush.
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While I dont neccesarily like Rudy how can you honestly say there is no proof when they have 100s of sworn affidavits. He brought all the proof we need to see this at least tried in court. At this point can somebody please define what proof or evidence is?? The whole russia collusion thing lasted 3 years with absolutely no evidence.
 
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US election: Don't ignore Trump's election mischief. - CNNPolitics

Until either President Donald Trump admits defeat and calls off his minions or the GOP admits his defeat and acknowledges that Joe Biden is the President-elect, you've still got to hold your breath a little bit.
That's the truth, even though last desperate gasps of the Trump era increasingly bear one striking similarity to its origin: it all seems like a hopeless joke.
When the reality star descended his golden escalator at Trump Tower way back in 2015, his shock brand of race-baiting populism seemed like a futile attempt to make himself relevant and kickstart a flagging media career. The idea that he had a shot at becoming President of the United States seemed laughable.
 
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VolinWayne said:
While I dont neccesarily like Rudy how can you honestly say there is no proof when they have 100s of sworn affidavits. He brought all the proof we need to see this at least tried in court. At this point can somebody please define what proof or evidence is?? The whole russia collusion thing lasted 3 years with absolutely no evidence.
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There are all sorts of "evidence", just look at the different accounts of eye witnesses to the same event. That's all "evidence".

What we should be most concerned with is the truth. That's all that matters, really, in the end.

If you think we will ever find it in this mess using the tools/fools involved, you are dreaming, sorry to say.

I turned sour on governmental investigations after the Warren Commisssion report. I was too young to turn sour any sooner.
 
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MontyPython said:
(1) Investigation not illegal, and Trump not cleared of wrong-doing;
(2) Russians did tamper with the election per *all* of Trump's own intelligence agencies; and
(3) Mail-in voting has occurred since the 1600's and in large numbers since the 1860s.

Trump lost. The end. Get over it.
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BS

The investigation of Trump began with false accusations, and continued through the process - remember the FISA court violations? Conducted by biased investigators - the texts between agents - remember those?
Russians wrote memes supposedly to subvert your buddy dems to defect. That's serious stuff! Ever hear of Voice of America or the CIA replacing a puppet in a banana republic with their own puppet?
There's a huge difference between the absentee voting process and the mail it in sham.
 
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AM64 said:
And an illegal investigation of Trump from before he entered office until almost the end of his tenure didn't erode public trust? You guys have some funny takes on things ... including Russian memes as election tampering vs rolling out a never used and questionable vote getting operation - mail it in voting with no real assurance about who the actual voter was.
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Barr tried to find evidence the investigation was illegal and came up empty handed. Nice try though.

Much like the voter fraud commission Trump set up to prove he won the popular vote in 2016 that was disbanded in disgrace.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Or... maybe what Powell is alleging is true? One of the things that she mentioned was how anti-Trump the people over that software are. This isn't debated, it is in their own social media posts they have since deleted. One even stating that he made sure that Trump didn't win. That's a real post.

But sure, let's just dismiss it without investigation because we don't want it to be true?
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She was careful about her Dominion allegations, she mostly described whatever voting system has, a way to correct user error. Same can be said of every voting machine.

So, she describes all this nonsense/comjecture about Smartmatic, and then just eases into describing admin options of a voting machine while implying Dominion discarded/switched millions of Trump votes..

Still no evidence presented.
 
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Stew Cook said:
She was careful about her Dominion allegations, she mostly described whatever voting system has, a way to correct user error. Same can be said of every voting machine.

So, she describes all this nonsense/comjecture about Smartmatic, and then just eases into describing admin options of a voting machine while implying Dominion discarded/switched millions of Trump votes..

Still no evidence presented.
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Did you listen to the press conference? I'm guessing no. They said, and I loosely quote, "This is an opening statement. This is telling the American people what we are alleging. We will present our evidence to the court. Everyone wanting proof from us has no clue how the law works."

Pretty simple, no? I hope that she's lying through her teeth. Because if what she alleged about Dominion is true, our democracy is dead. It would be the single worst crime ever committed in this country and, if they get away with it, we are doomed as a nation.
 
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VolinWayne said:
While I dont neccesarily like Rudy how can you honestly say there is no proof when they have 100s of sworn affidavits. He brought all the proof we need to see this at least tried in court. At this point can somebody please define what proof or evidence is?? The whole russia collusion thing lasted 3 years with absolutely no evidence.
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Can you show me one of those hundreds?

We are all still waiting I guess. To date, everything submitted has been rejected by the courts, even Trump's appointed judges. I think one was upheld, but had nothing to do with fraud.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Did you listen to the press conference? I'm guessing no. They said, and I loosely quote, "This is an opening statement. This is telling the American people what we are alleging. We will present our evidence to the court. Everyone wanting proof from us has no clue how the law works."

Pretty simple, no? I hope that she's lying through her teeth. Because if what she alleged about Dominion is true, our democracy is dead. It would be the single worst crime ever committed in this country and, if they get away with it, we are doomed as a nation.
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Yes I did, and I'm sure you bought into the notion that it wasn't going to be just another accusational questioning session, and no company would have walked right in there after the bazaar spectacle yesterday.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
What reforms are being suggested? I’m open.

All I see is baseless accusations of fraud and a refusal to admit they were baseless when they get kicked out of court.

The Dominion story is so convoluted it’s like a modern version of a Dan Brown novel.
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Most controversies are; and whether they are factual or caused by appearances, is never known if not investigated. If Boeing had not been questioned and the 737Max grounded and investigated, there undoubtedly would have been more crashes. Most 737Max flights went as planned; a couple didn't. This election went to conclusion, but there are some glaring procedural questions - no lives lost. However, we supposedly are not a banana republic; honest elections are fundamental to our system of government; and we should never live under a cloud of election fraud - even if things are legitimate but the process is less than transparent.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Can you show me one of those hundreds?

We are all still waiting I guess. To date, everything submitted has been rejected by the courts, even Trump's appointed judges. I think one was upheld, but had nothing to do with fraud.
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Me and you are not the jury. We are public opinion. They will have to prove this evidence in court. Why is everybody so terrified about the thought of this going to court?? You guys are hilarious
 
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