Fulmer Haters Speak!

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#106
With hindsight, we should have let him work thru it. We would not be champs but better than this - anyhow, it is unknowable. If Mark Sanchez stays at USC, the USC job is not open and Lane Kiffin stays here. It is the butterfly effect. Pete Carroll would have stayed at USC probably. Lane here and we would be better if not on probation.
 
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JACK8254 said:
With hindsight, we should have let him work thru it. We would not be champs but better than this - anyhow, it is unknowable. If Mark Sanchez stays at USC, the USC job is not open and Lane Kiffin stays here. It is the butterfly effect. Pete Carroll would have stayed at USC probably. Lane here and we would be better if not on probation.
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Pete Carroll coached at USC the year after Sanchez entered the draft. That had no bearing on him leaving for Seattle.
 
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I could live with a HC that couldn’t speak correct English as long as he wins, otherwise having a HC that speaks like a hillbilly and loses
Doesn’t fair well with many
 
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gunner said:
I remember that Hamilton (and the Haslams) was extremely reluctant to go get a top notch OC coordinator and pay him the big bucks to come call the offense at UT. Fulmer was reluctant too becausehe he wanted an OC that he could control. That’s how the Vols ended up with the Dave Clawson.

Imho, I think Pruitt is too involved with the offense too and should let Chaney run it completely while Pruitt focuses on being a head coach.
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Dave Clawson is a top notch offensive mind and was paid very well here. The plan was for Clawson to stick around and be head coach when Fulmer retired. You've been misinformed by someone

BTW, Clawson has been successful everywhere he's been with the exception of his one year at UT
 
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docterjaws said:
fulmer had two losing seasons in 16 years. he was 5-6 in 2005 then came right back to 9-4 the next year then 10-4 the very next year - then the last year 5-7 really? he was a great coach - weve been crap ever since
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Yet no one wanted him after he was fired, and he made it well known he wanted to coach again. You didn't put in any detail on those seasons, so your stat is meaningless about the last 4 years. We lost to our biggest rivals in those seasons AT HOME
 
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Delmar said:
Guys, it all boils down to talent with Phil’s demise. I’m not going to go back 15 to 20 years to do the research again but we used to have this argument all the time on the old KNS site back in the day. I can’t recall the exact time frames but I think I went back and looked at NFL draft picks in the first 3 rounds in our heyday of like 1997 to 2002 versus 2003 to 2007 and the difference was staggering. It was like 30 draftees to 3 in the first 3 rounds in those years. Combine that with the fact that Bama and Georgia were down and it was a different world than it is now. You just can’t compare Phil’s years with the competitive climate now. And there is no debate that his recruiting and discipline waned in the latter years. I remember in a 17 month period in the mess around 2004 to 2005 we had like 21 arrests.
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From 1989 to 2003, we were literally a farm team for the NFL. In all those seasons, we were top 3 by number of players on opening day rosters. Also during those same years, we put 21 more players into the NFL than Florida, yet very rarely could beat them. Phil was a good coach, but not a great coach
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
From 1989 to 2003, we were literally a farm team for the NFL. In all those seasons, we were top 3 by number of players on opening day rosters. Also during those same years, we put 21 more players into the NFL than Florida, yet very rarely could beat them. Phil was a good coach, but not a great coach
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Nobody squandered more talent than Fulmer, that is a fact.
 
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dgrind65 said:
David Cutcliffe was responsible for much of Fulmers success. Look at his track record with and without Coach Cut. We should have went hard after Coach Cutcliffe to replace Fulmer. I believe we would still be a top tier team.
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Does Fulmer get credit for Majors' wins then? Who gets credit for hiring Cutcliffe?
 
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MikeTheVol said:
I remember all the whining and complaining when Fulmer had a dip in team quality, wins, and struggle with hiring a couple of misfit coordinators. But, I have a question, or questions for you. Do you really think that if Fulmer had not been fired that we would lose 14 straight to arguably our biggest rival? Do you think he would have lost to Kentucky two or three times during the last 12 seasons. Do you think he would have lost to Vanderbilt 4 or 5 times during that stint. Do you think we would have beaten Florida more than ONCE in the last 12 years? Yes, he hit a rough spot by his own misgivings but IMO he loves UT enough and has so much pride in the UT program, that he would have done everything possible to right the ship. This fiasco of the ridiculous coaching carousel would not be happening.

I know this is all conjecture now and this is purely a frustration post. Yeah, I'm saying I told you Fulmer haters so. Your thoughts?
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The game had passed Fulmer by and we were underperforming with the talent we had. The call to let him go was apparently the last good decision UT has made regarding the football program.
 
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livefaith said:
Well, yeah. That's exactly what I mean. 3-34 is slipping a looking way from even 9-12. I'd 100% take my odds w a washed up Phil vs the Hambone experiment were still stuck in.
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Why would you take a chance with someone who has demonstrated he can't compete with the big dogs?
 
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21VOL said:
I didn't have a problem with Fulmer being fired. in my opinion, the big issue was Mike Hamilton. He shouldn't of been our AD. He had no busy hiring or firing people. He decisions on hiring Kiffin and Dooley is what set us back to current situation.
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His decision to Hire Kiffin wasn't his mistake. His mistake was not naming Kippy interim for 1 season and taking his time to hire a coach.

But we can thank Fulmer for Hamilton, he wouldn't have gotten the job had Fulmer not pushed for it.
 
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I was going to say that Fulmer and Cut work better as a pair instead of separately. But Cut had one hell of a run at Ole Miss. Duke......not so much.
 
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