Pruitt can't say he wasn't warned...

#76
#76
A negavol is someone like me

Coach Worshippers think they are the true fans, when actually they are the ones who cause the most problems. They will get in a plane with only one wing, just because the pilot says Go Vols and that this is his Dream Flight. Even though he has never flown a plane

A negavol will sit back and say " maybe I should see how well this rookie pilot does before getting in that one winged plane"
 
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flatiron said:
Butch had one 1st round draft pick (Ju’wuan James) and two 6th round picks (Zach Fulton, Daniel McCullers) his first year, then none the next two. Pruitt had none his first year and two his second. I don’t see how that’s really that much of a difference to be honest.

Also; the SportsSource made a decent point today – comparing this year’s team to the 2015 team (both coaches third years), the 2015 team was superior in almost every position group compared to the 2020 team. Let me be clear, I’m not defending Butch. He was the architect of his own downfall. He wasn’t getting the job done and lost the fanbase and needed to be fired. I’m just really not seeing that much evidence that Pruitt has things going so much better at the same point in their coaching tenures. Maybe he’ll prove me and other doubters wrong later this season, or next, but I really don’t see where the optimism comes from that things are going to improve drastically, other than just blind hope.
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For some unknown reason, I watch the Sports Source almost every day. The show does provide a diverse outlook on Tennessee sports.
It looked like Butch was going to be a good coach. He had high ranking recruiting classes and improved our winning record much beyond what Dooley had. Then his method of managing a football team raised its ugly head and players found they could nor trust anything he said. Promises made but not fulfilled coupled with bonehead decisions led to total destruction of the team. We, at least I, don't yet see that kind of reaction from the current players toward Pruitt. I would like to know some details about the firing of our Line coach. It is likely that another coacher two may be looking for a new job soon. Year 2020 has be a disaster for almost everything in the World. It has been even worse for collegiate football teams. In the SEC, it appears that only Alabama has been able to avoid being beaten, but they have had some questionable events. Their defense has given up more points so far this year than in any other year I remember since the God Father set foot on campus. Covid has turned everything upside down. Lets take everything into consideration before we repeat mistakes made in the not do distant past.
 
#78
#78
VolsSportsFan said:
What will really make me mad is if Vandy finds a way to beat us. Obviously because it's Vandy, but even more because Vandy has a legit shot at going 0-10. And if they go 1-9 and their only win is us......oh boy.
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That happens I'll personally pay for the moving van to Pruitt's house...Not convinced he is the guy...Never did but losing to those guys at anytime is a death certificate for a UT coach.
 
#79
#79
landscapingvol said:
Help me understand your point, are fans not supposed to expect improvement at some point?
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I,personally, have mellowed over the years.... during bad games such as saturdays.... I still want to fire every coach and the AD....... I feel that Tennessee fell to almost a Vandy type position..... This is a longer rebuild than we may want but Pruitt will eventually get us to where we want to be imo.... it would be easier if our state was like Georgia or many other states as far as recruiting goes. I
 
#81
#81
volbeast33 said:
This is a longer rebuild than we may want but Pruitt will eventually get us to where we want to be imo....
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what evidence is there at this point that he will? The jury is still out on whether or not he’ll get us back to where we want to be.
 
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flatiron said:
what evidence is there at this point that he will? The jury is still out on whether or not he’ll get us back to where we want to be.
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I just believe he will get us there.... he is a football guy and we have been building us stronger..... look at where we were when he came in compared to the roster/team now
 
#83
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flatiron said:
Butch had one 1st round draft pick (Ju’wuan James) and two 6th round picks (Zach Fulton, Daniel McCullers) his first year, then none the next two. Pruitt had none his first year and two his second. I don’t see how that’s really that much of a difference to be honest.

Also; the SportsSource made a decent point today – comparing this year’s team to the 2015 team (both coaches third years), the 2015 team was superior in almost every position group compared to the 2020 team. Let me be clear, I’m not defending Butch. He was the architect of his own downfall. He wasn’t getting the job done and lost the fanbase and needed to be fired. I’m just really not seeing that much evidence that Pruitt has things going so much better at the same point in their coaching tenures. Maybe he’ll prove me and other doubters wrong later this season, or next, but I really don’t see where the optimism comes from that things are going to improve drastically, other than just blind hope.
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And at this point in their respective tenures at UGA Mark Richt had a better record than Smart does. So what does that say?
 
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CountVolcula said:
A negavol is someone like me

Coach Worshippers think they are the true fans, when actually they are the ones who cause the most problems. They will get in a plane with only one wing, just because the pilot says Go Vols and that this is his Dream Flight. Even though he has never flown a plane

A negavol will sit back and say " maybe I should see how well this rookie pilot does before getting in that one winged plane"
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Dress it up in Pantone 151 and it can't be wrong, am I right?
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Jimbo might have been OK but Leach would have been no better than Dooley. I still think we have a coach who can be better than our last three. He still has to do some better recruiting in a couple of areas; TE, LB, and a QB every year. A QB coach is needed badly.
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Did you say LB? REALLY
 
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3 years in and no back up plan for JG? How long should you need to address probably the most important position on the team? Good grief, even Mizzou had that problem addressed. Pruitt is earning every bit of disdain he receives.
 
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calban said:
3 years in and no back up plan for JG? How long should you need to address probably the most important position on the team? Good grief, even Mizzou had that problem addressed. Pruitt is earning every bit of disdain he receives.
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No QB prep, or replacement=professional malfeasance. It's not like it wasn't a problem when he got here.
 
#88
#88
Well, I talked to coach right after he got your letter and he told me that he didn't believe what you were saying and was glad he had taken the job. Talked to him again yesterday and mentioned your letter and said he was sorry he didn't listen to you and is now sorry he took the job.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
It's just an infinite loop now...coach announced, sunshine pumpers and coach worshippers tell us we hit the jackpot and was the one we wanted all the time. Losses pile up, problems on and off the field mount, confidence is shaken, negavols pounce, worshippers and pumpers defend to the death, coach proves incompetence, firing, NegaVols say I told you so, worshippers and pumpers say they never liked that coach anyway. Repeat.
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You pretty much summed up the past ~10 years for me perfectly.

All we can do now is wait to see how much a cluster of a hire Phil does next.

We could at least break out the Gruden threads to keep things interesting.
 
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#91
VOLINVONORE said:
Yep. We one one really good one and converted RB that has yet to learn/ play the position very well. Just look at the slants and passes in the middle we have given up this year
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The slants are happening when the LB's are rushing the QB'S have hit the hot route. Because are dlineman are not able to do it on their on with out a cornerback or linebacker rush.
 
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#94
onevol74 said:
Yep, it is always the fans’ fault. The fans have nothing to do with the inept coaching hires at UT. The problem at UT is they do not seek excellence in anything. Mediocrity is the norm and has been for decades. From a fan’s perspective it has become ho-hum.
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I have been calling what you just described as "The Kesling Effect" It is not named that by coincidence.
 
#95
#95
gtin723 said:
The reason we keep getting dud coaches or coordinators to take the Head Coach job at Tennessee is that we are CHEAP. All 3 of the previous coaches had salaries that put them in the bottom of the SEC and nowhere near what top coaches are being offered to rebuild a program. Someone posted why didn't we get Jimbo Fisher like A&M did, well they paid him $75 Million and a 10yr contract. How about Florida, Mullen got a 6yr deal for over $6 million, $35 million, Clemson's Swinney is making $8.5/yr, Michigan Harbaugh over $7 million, and of course Saban over $11 million a year.

We hired our coordinator coach that had zero experience as a Head Coach, totally unproven for what base $275 plus supplemental comp of $3.5 million a year, so under $4 million. If you want to attract the top coaches in the country then you have to pay up and we just are not willing to do that, other than pay coordinators top money, but that is peanuts compared to paying for a Saban like coach. We spend all our money on buyouts for fired coaches is a fact.

It is what it is and it is going to be painful to watch but it looks like Pruitt is all we can afford, so make the best of it. If he does pan out and product a good team down the road, he will not stay and the big paying schools will snatch him up.
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The best coaches aren't going to leave their current positions. Saban, Swinney, etc. are all ultra happy at their schools. In this climate, you must be able to identify the up-and-comers
 
#96
#96
VolsSportsFan said:
What will really make me mad is if Vandy finds a way to beat us. Obviously because it's Vandy, but even more because Vandy has a legit shot at going 0-10. And if they go 1-9 and their only win is us......oh boy.
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Scared of Vandy?? It's come to this? Paranoia will destroy ya...
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#97
#97
CountVolcula said:
A negavol is someone like me

Coach Worshippers think they are the true fans, when actually they are the ones who cause the most problems. They will get in a plane with only one wing, just because the pilot says Go Vols and that this is his Dream Flight. Even though he has never flown a plane

A negavol will sit back and say " maybe I should see how well this rookie pilot does before getting in that one winged plane"
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I don’t see it that way.
To me a negavol is the poster that acts like things can’t change or won’t change in the future. Things might not change but it’s negative to state it as a fact when speaking about the future.
post all you want about what has occurred(I do believe it’s in poor form to bash players. Coaches are paid big bucks so that’s different. Making it personal is probably out of bounds unless a beef is a personal type matter.), but bad mouthing what you think is going to occur in the future, that is being negative.

I believe many of the most negative are just trying to survive and by being negative it helps them deal with bad stuff when it happens.

In my 30+ years of following the Vols, there have been major disappointments every year but 1.

Bring on Alabama.
 
#98
#98
The Tall Gguy said:
Excerpt from a letter to Pruitt just after he was hired:

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However, I think you are coming into something you don't fully understand.
At first you will see great support here on Volnation. Our fanbase has a tendency to worship our coaches. Don't let this fool you, because it was the EXACT same way with our previous 2 coaches. This fanbase will turn on you, even the coach worshippers. It is a cycle. Coach announced...great support...not much progress...support lost. You can look back over Volnation for the past 2 hires and confirm this. This even happened with the Kiffin hire. These coach worshippers will act like they never liked your hire.
We have been rebuilding for a decade and most fans are sick of it...."
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Could you please provide the source of this letter?
 
#99
#99
Like it or not we still need to support Pruitt. He needs to get this turned around. This program won't survive another coaching search
 
#100
#100
The Tall Gguy said:
It's just an infinite loop now...coach announced, sunshine pumpers and coach worshippers tell us we hit the jackpot and was the one we wanted all the time. Losses pile up, problems on and off the field mount, confidence is shaken, negavols pounce, worshippers and pumpers defend to the death, coach proves incompetence, firing, NegaVols say I told you so, worshippers and pumpers say they never liked that coach anyway. Repeat.
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Yeah... that's not true.

I think EVERY Vol fan wanted to believe that Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones were going to turn the program around. Some were more cautious and skeptical. Some just jumped in both feet.

Even now, the people wanting Pruitt gone are DWARFED by those who simply want him to open his eyes to the QB situation. Personally, I fully expect a change at QB if he sticks with it to have some ugly moments. Young guys make mistakes. They have to learn by failure much of the time. But there were always opportunity costs with JG... games you were going to lose simply because he didn't have the ability to contribute enough passing to win them. Now he's also become a game manager... who can't manage games and turns the ball over.

This isn't new on a lot of us here. That Pruitt has not or cannot see it... is baffling. He has a HUGE blind spot when it comes to JG.
 
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