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#127
#127
de1conley said:
Please show me where he has improved
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PulaskiVolFan said:
38/57 for 340 yards 2 TDs 0 ints in the '17 and '18 seasons vs USCjrs in 2 losses.

30/50 for 488 yards, 3TDs, 1 rushing TD and 0 int in the '19 and '20 seasons vs USCjrs in 2 wins.

Only place he didn't improve was 0 ints, lol! 0 ints in 4 games vs one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league is pretty good, I wonder if our backups could pull that off?

Your little false narrative that he isn't getting better is pure garbage in my opinion.

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#128
#128
BeardedVol said:
Improved is a relative term. Did he play like a 4*-rated 5th year Senior on Saturday? No, and he most likely never will at UT, but he didn't stare down his receivers, and made decent choices in who to throw to, even if he did over/underthrow the ball.

Pruitt is never going to swap him out as long as he isn't turning the ball over, as he is still working under the mindset that an average of 24 points-per-game is enough to win most games if the defense is doing their job well.
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I think that's fair. 4 years in, it's apparent that he's not going to flip a switch and be Aaron Rodgers. He's a decent game manager with a big arm that you can win with as long as you can run it enough and play defense.
 
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#129
#129
Dak was considered avg, middle of the pack SEC QB. He's doing a pretty good job as a Cowboy these days. Still needs some things to tighten up, but if he can improve, I'm sure JG could also. He's not improving fast enough for most fans.
 
#130
#130
GAVol said:
I think pretty fair. 4 years in, it's apparent that he's not going to flip a switch and be Aaron Rodgers. He's a decent game manager with a big arm that you can win with as long as you can run it enough and play defense.
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I think you can be a middle-of-the-pack SEC team with that mindset, but you'll never crack the top 3 or play for a conference championship in the current football environment.
 
#131
#131
BeardedVol said:
I think you can be a middle-of-the-pack SEC team with that mindset, but you'll never crack the top 3 or play for a conference championship in the current football environment.
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Depends on how many playmakers you have around the QB and how dominant your defense is. There have been as many game managers without NFL talent win Championships as their have been superstar QBs win them.
 
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#132
#132
PulaskiVolFan said:
Depends on how many playmakers you have around the QB and how dominant your defense is. There have been as many game managers without NFL talent win Championships as their have been superstar QBs win them.
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Defense-led teams that don't score very often aren't what's winning in the SEC or the NCAA as a whole in 2020.
 
#133
#133
PulaskiVolFan said:
Depends on how many playmakers you have around the QB and how dominant your defense is. There have been as many game managers without NFL talent win Championships as their have been superstar QBs win them.
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True, but JG does not have the team Tee had around him, not even close (I use Tee here because of previous comparisons). No offense to Tee but you put '98 Tee Martin on our current team and we ain't winning the SEC let alone the National Championship. At least going on what I've seen so far.
 
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#134
#134
I'm super-excited about seeing what Bailey can do in the future. That being said, I believe the coaches agree that the one thing we can not afford to do is turn the ball over. We saw it last year from the other QBs, and a true freshman coming in after a screwed-up summer and fall practice would certainly be a liability.

I think this year will be all about playing good defense, running the ball, and trusting the QB to make a few plays while taking care of the ball.
 
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#136
BeardedVol said:
Defense-led teams that don't score very often aren't what's winning in the SEC or the NCAA as a whole in 2020.
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Not many teams out there that have one of the best defensive minds in the game as their head coach either. How many points is enough is the only question you need answered when Pruitt is your head coach. 31 was enough Sat.
 
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#138
BruinVol said:
This is clear evidence and of why our fans Are clearly clouded by biased predetermined opinions.


The JG haters don’t see the mistakes made by all QBs just ones made by him. Hill had plenty of inaccurate throws Saturday night especially the pick 6. It was clearly a throw behind the receiver that caused the deflection but you and others clouded by bias can’t see that all QBs make poor inaccurate throws. Some more costly that others and that pick 6 was just that
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For the INT Hill also had a Vol defender on his back with a hand full of his jersey and another in his face. The ball was thrown behind the receiver but it was hardly an unforced error. Credit Vol defense. To my recollection Hill didn't miss a wide open receiver all night and threaded the needle and hit guys in stride on crossing routes which contributed to YAC for SCAR. We won because we have a better roster and forced SCAR into some mistakes and made plays on defense when we had to. The last TD by JG to Palmer was an outstanding play. However, to any objective observer Hill's overall performance was better than JG's, just as Indiana's Ramsey's was better in the bowl game. Its not about being a hater its just making the obvious observation that although we won the last 2 games, our QB play (or lack thereof) made the gamer closer than it should have been.
 
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#141
#141
Bring in another qb on third down and in the red zone - problem solved.

Follow along - JG is the least accurate passer over 10 yards as tracked by the advanced database. More accurate quarterback play results in more successful drives which leads to more points. Longer and more successful drives leads to your defense being on the field for shorter periods. All of this results in more points for the Orange and less points for our opponents. That in turn leads to more wins, wins by a more comfortable margin, and prevents games like BYU last season. More wins in turn, results in better recruiting, more donations, improved economy in East Tennessee, etc, etc, It has a domino effect. I don't care how we get there, but we need better quarterback play and more accurate passing. JG can improve; backups can step up or be given a chance; we can rotate qb's in critical situations..... any or all might work, but we have been really hamstrung by inaccurate passing - would be great to get it fixed.

I agree his processing of the field seemed better- and he seemed more comfortable running with the ball. If one game he is able to suddenly get the ball out on time and in the right direction hitting his receivers in stride - what a Merry Christmas that would be.
 
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#142
Bringing in another qb on 3rd downs and in the red zone was of course suggested as somewhat of a joke. But you might consider it as an occasional change-up say if one of the other qbs is better at bootlegs or rp options.
 
#145
#145
1974Vol said:
For the INT Hill also had a Vol defender on his back with a hand full of his jersey and another in his face. The ball was thrown behind the receiver but it was hardly an unforced error. Credit Vol defense. To my recollection Hill didn't miss a wide open receiver all night and threaded the needle and hit guys in stride on crossing routes which contributed to YAC for SCAR. We won because we have a better roster and forced SCAR into some mistakes and made plays on defense when we had to. The last TD by JG to Palmer was an outstanding play. However, to any objective observer Hill's overall performance was better than JG's, just as Indiana's Ramsey's was better in the bowl game. Its not about being a hater its just making the obvious observation that although we won the last 2 games, our QB play (or lack thereof) made the gamer closer than it should have been.
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JGs SEC QBR was better than Hills, his PFF rating was better than Hills so I'm not sure where you get ANY objective observer would say Hill played better, Ramsey yes, Hill didn't. Hill made critical mistakes that cost his team a win, JG did not.

15 QBs played this weekend, 7 threw Ints and 8 didn't while 4 threw 2. The teams whose QBs didn't throw an interception went 5-1 with the only loss being Mizz to Alabama. SEC teams went 2-5 with wins by GA and MS State with QBs who threw an interception. The neverJG crowd continues to act like ZERO INTERCEPTIONS are not a significant stat, even Pruitt said we won the game because we didn't turn it over.
 
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#146
#146
RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree with a lot of what you said, but Besides one game against South Carolina, I never have viewed Tee Martin as an accurate quarterback. Actually, his 10-25 yard throws were a lot like JG’s.
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And that was probably the one game I was referencing especially since it was against SC but the point still remains that Tee was better than average and his wheels aided that a lot.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Dak was considered avg, middle of the pack SEC QB. He's doing a pretty good job as a Cowboy these days. Still needs some things to tighten up, but if he can improve, I'm sure JG could also. He's not improving fast enough for most fans.
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Who considered Dak Prescott a "middle of the pack QB"? He was one of the best QBs in the SEC when he left. When Dobbs was here, most of the questions were about whether Dobbs could become as good as Dak.

The thing is, JG's occasionally late throws and inaccuracies would probably be forgiven more if he had Dak or Dobbs' scrambling ability, but he doesn't. Dobbs was really no more accurate than JG, but Dobbs had an entire other dimension to his game.
 
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#149
Fullfillmer said:
This one falls under the category of who am I going to believe --" my lying eyes " or antagonists and defenders of our qb play. It gets old commenting that it needs improvement and sharing observations only
to be called a Negavol etc. and told what great play we are actually getting out of the quarterback position.

This is what my eyes have observed and it has been born out by the database. I am not a hater, and think there are a lot of great things that JG does and can do. He was in fact ranked 36 th among quarterbacks -
and has had very few turnovers - yet the following bears out our reality and what you and I see and have seen since he has been our quarterback.

"Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano "
"In terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that travel 10 or more yards since 2018. "
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inaccurate QB, not particularly what the Vols need right now......get better soon JG
 
#150
#150
m1al said:
It's not a given they would be interception machines. With our coaching staff, surely further development has taken place, correct?

That said, wouldn't it be nice to see the offense NOT sputter against average defenses in games that really shouldn't be very close. That way the younger guys could more naturally develop with actual 'in game' reps.

One thing that's hard to argue though, if JG continues this 'high and wide' crap we consistently see from him it will cost us against tighter coverage from better defenses and end up getting him benched.

Then we'll find out about the backups, the hard way.
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Had lunch today with 3 extremely knowledgeable men (I guess that's the best way to say it without saying their names) and all three agreed. The one single thing that will help JG more than any is developing a strong, consistent run game. That changes everything. Of course it doesn't take three well seasoned football minds to convince me that's true but I it does help to be reminded of that by someone who actually knows the game so well.
 
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