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[VolJarhead]

I'm very critical of his ability to throw the ball, but I thought he played a smart game. I don't think they are asking him to win games. They just want him not to lose them. With the way this season is going with a lack of practices and such, I think letting the defense keep us in games and waiting for opportunities might be the smartest way to play this year.

 

[sjt18]

Looks like we could afford missing the throw on the sideline in the 1st quarter on the 1st drive as we still won the game.

No. You cannot afford to have your RS Sr QB miss routine throws or throw balls that prevent YACs. The difference in the game was a defensive score and a very good defensive stand after the failed punt. Their QB threw the ball better and even with significantly less talent around him moved their O better. Even the INT was a deflection of a pass that probably should have been caught.

You CONTINUALLY attempt to lower the bar for JG. If the team around JG were the same as one year ago... UT loses that game.

That's 7 wins in a row now that you've stated that we can't afford for him to continue to be the crap QB you think he is, keep spinning it as I'm sure we'll lose again sometime in the future.

You mean like praising a QB for a "great comeback" in a game that was only competitive because of that QB's poor play?

If he does not play significantly better than that... UT will not only lose again "sometime in the future"... it will be games that could have been won with good QB play.

The things he did throwing the ball simply are NOT where a RS Sr SEC starter should be.

 

[k-town_king]

So if we are going to discuss the article again lets not pick and choose what parts.

Don't forget the 36 out of all college qb ranking as well.

 

[BruinVol]

For the most part, yes. I still have reservations and questions for Pruitt to answer as we go forward. One is how he manages the QB position this year. JG may turn the corner which will make JP look brilliant... if he doesn't then whether, when, and how he reacts will be important.

I've always liked Chaney a lot. I think what he did with UT's O in 2012 shows what he can do with the right QB and some freedom.

I think it’s very simple. You can’t be in the camp of thinking it’s obvious JG isn’t an SEC caliber QB and also praise the coaching that.

Pruitt has had 3 years and has recruited 3 other QBs but still plays JG.


Posters need to take their pick
1) get all in with our coaches and believe they are the future and support them and JG

or 2) Side against the coaches, complain and be vocal that these coaches can’t get it right with the most important Position on the field at QB.

Can’t have it both ways

 

[SNAFU]

Just consider what he did on 3rd down conversions. The team was 1-for-11 on third downs, with JG completing just 1 of 7 attempts on third downs. He took two sacks and fumbled once. The only conversion required the one-handed grab down the sideline by B Johnson. Of those nine third-down pass plays, only one was longer than 3rd and 6, and it was 3rd and 8. Not what you'd expect from a 5th year red shirt if you want to win but he might be the best option.

 

[BruinVol]

Even the INT was a deflection of a pass that probably should have been caught.

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This is clear evidence and of why our fans Are clearly clouded by biased predetermined opinions.


The JG haters don’t see the mistakes made by all QBs just ones made by him. Hill had plenty of inaccurate throws Saturday night especially the pick 6. It was clearly a throw behind the receiver that caused the deflection but you and others clouded by bias can’t see that all QBs make poor inaccurate throws. Some more costly that others and that pick 6 was just that

 

[sjt18]

I think it’s very simple. You can’t be in the camp of thinking it’s obvious JG isn’t an SEC caliber QB and also praise the coaching that.

You could not be more wrong. There are reasons to start JG that have nothing to do with my criticisms. He's experienced. He manages the O pretty well now. And... Pruitt/Chaney did in fact replace him last year for poor performance. We do not know what this season holds.

JG does some SEC caliber things. Those inaccurate passes on what should be routine plays for someone at his stage of development...are not SEC caliber. Are you arguing they are?

Pruitt has had 3 years and has recruited 3 other QBs but still plays JG.

So if I disagree with one thing Pruitt does... then I cannot be generally favorable and hopeful concerning him? And frankly, neither of us knows what he has in those other 3 guys at this point. We know he was ready to ride with Maurer last year if not for the injuries. But Pruitt is sold out to the idea that what you see in practice is what you'll see in games. Unfortunately, JG's history is that he performs better in practice than when the lights come on.

Posters need to take their pick
1) get all in with our coaches and believe they are the future and support them and JG

or 2) Side against the coaches, complain and be vocal that these coaches can’t get it right with the most important Position on the field at QB.

Can’t have it both ways

What you've presented is called a fallacy of limited alternatives. So... I choose option 3... or maybe 4 or 5. I reject BOTH of those options.

 

[DC_Vol]

I think it’s very simple. You can’t be in the camp of thinking it’s obvious JG isn’t an SEC caliber QB and also praise the coaching that.

Pruitt has had 3 years and has recruited 3 other QBs but still plays JG.


Posters need to take their pick
1) get all in with our coaches and believe they are the future and support them and JG

or 2) Side against the coaches, complain and be vocal that these coaches can’t get it right with the most important Position on the field at QB.

Can’t have it both ways

JG does not play like a RS Sr in the SEC should play. I really don’t think that’s debatable. He is inconsistent and misses throws that a freshman should be able to make.

This isn’t about supporting or not supporting JG. I support him and hope that he improves. Continuing to make excuses for his poor play for a third year is just ignoring the simple fact that he has not developed to where he should be, and it will eventually cost us a game or two.

I’m also OK with saying the staff bears some responsibility for this situation. When you have to bench your starter to get his head right it’s time to start making a Plan B.

I like this staff and believe we are probably playing the best guy who gives us a chance to win today. Again, the coaching staff own this.

And FTR, Im not a neverJGer or one who doesn’t “support JG”. I’m just giving you my analysis of the situation. I wish the kid the best.

The better he does the better the Vols do, and I think that’s what we all want at the end of the day.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I think it’s very simple. You can’t be in the camp of thinking it’s obvious JG isn’t an SEC caliber QB and also praise the coaching that.

Pruitt has had 3 years and has recruited 3 other QBs but still plays JG.


Posters need to take their pick
1) get all in with our coaches and believe they are the future and support them and JG

or 2) Side against the coaches, complain and be vocal that these coaches can’t get it right with the most important Position on the field at QB.

Can’t have it both ways

This has been brought up several times and the group that despise JG being QB1 simply ignore the point. They'll pounce though on both Pruitt and JG should we lose one we shouldn't. I'm all-in with Pruitt and support who he plays. I cringed when we had to play a Fr at QB last year simply because it was too easy to predict what those results would be. Another narrative the neverJGers like to push is that Coach Pruitt has somehow not developed the QB position properly yet we have nothing but talent, potential, toughness, experience and camaraderie in the QB room, we've got more talent coming, a blue chip sitting on the bench waiting on go and we are in on 2 or 3 of the best high school QBs in the country, I think we are fine for several seasons to come at QB and that it will turn into a position of strength for Pruitt down the way.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

This is clear evidence and of why our fans Are clearly clouded by biased predetermined opinions.


The JG haters don’t see the mistakes made by all QBs just ones made by him. Hill had plenty of inaccurate throws Saturday night especially the pick 6. It was clearly a throw behind the receiver that caused the deflection but you and others clouded by bias can’t see that all QBs make poor inaccurate throws. Some more costly that others and that pick 6 was just that

Amazingly we have several on here that made the claim their QB played better than ours, I thought they were joking but they seem to really believe that mess.

 

[BruinVol]

JG does some SEC caliber things. Those inaccurate passes on what should be routine plays for someone at his stage of development...are not SEC caliber. Are you arguing they are?

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My stance is simple
1) JG isn’t an all sec caliber QB nor will
Be ever be. He’s not accurate enough for that

2) JG is a solid sec caliber QB and his stats and measurables clearly Show that.

3) JG can be a winning game manager type SEC QB where we win 6-8 games this season. The improvement we saw
In his decision making Saturday gives me Confidence that being with Chaney a second year has him ready to do this.

4) the other QBs we have aren’t ready to do anything of 1-3

 

[BruinVol]

Amazingly we have several on here that made the claim their QB played better than ours, I thought they were joking but they seem to really believe that mess.

Yep that’s plain dumb to suggest

 

[sjt18]

My stance is simple
1) JG isn’t an all sec caliber QB nor will
Be ever be. He’s not accurate enough for that

2) JG is a solid sec caliber QB and his stats and measurables clearly Show that.

3) JG can be a winning game manager type SEC QB where we win 6-8 games this season. The improvement we saw
In his decision making Saturday gives me Confidence that being with Chaney a second year has him ready to do this.

4) the other QBs we have aren’t ready to do anything of 1-3

And none of that creates the limitations you tried to apply.

I think Pruitt inherited some crappy situations and one of them was having only one QB on the roster... and that QB being a seriously flawed player. He's worked to improve that situation but it is still a judgment call on which things are most or least damaging to your chances of winning. Is JG's management of the game enough of an advantage to offset the liabilities he presents in the passing game? Are any of the others good enough in the passing game to offset any liability they may have due to inexperience or lack of development?

This is nothing like the "black and white" situation you're demanding. I can FULLY respect Pruitt's priorities and reasoning while not necessarily thinking he's "correct".

 

[The Original Fade]

JG is a SEC caliber QB by the simple fact that as athletic and sophisticated as defenses are these days, he doesn’t throw a lot of pics. That said, to get to the next level of a “good” SEC QB he has to improve his accuracy when it counts. I would’ve thought year 5 was plenty of time to accomplish that but he struggled again last weekend. Will be interesting to see how he plays this week

 

[utvols74]

JG is far better when he runs 2-4 times a game. It builds his confidence and helps create separation for the 10 yard throws (assuming he isn't "high and wide"). When he stays in the pocket, his is hyper conservative and if he does connect - it is generally a jump ball form an arching pass or some miraculous catch as others have said.

Go back and watch the USC QB hit #13. It was a laser strike most of the time....hot ball in stride and away from defender.

 

[BruinVol]

And none of that creates the limitations you tried to apply.

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You are forgetting I ain’t the one posting

“We know JG isn’t going to get better”

“We know JG isn’t an SEC caliber QB”

“it doesn’t matter how much practice time JG gets he isn’t going to complete those passes”

“JG is what he is and that’s an awful QB”


you see those posters saying Those things are clearly taking the side of “its easy for everyone to see JG shouldn’t be playing and the coaches making those decisions are dumb for not seeing what we see”

 

[BruinVol]

Go back and watch the USC QB hit #13. It was a laser strike most of the time....hot ball in stride and away from defender.

Except the pick 6, a massive miss on the right sideline in the 4th qt that would have been a big gainer and a poor behind the TE pass which would have been another first down before they kicked their last FG when they needed a game tying TD


So Hilarious that posters don’t remember those game changing poor throws by Hill

 

[swampfoxfan]

JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.

Just how nearly are you talking, you made a pretty stupid comment, I've come to expect it from you.

 

[GAVol]

Go back and watch the USC QB hit #13. It was a laser strike most of the time....hot ball in stride and away from defender.

...and he missed high to a wide open TE on their last scoring drive. And he missed a deep ball on a great sluggo route. And he ate a couple that he probably should've thrown away. It's a tough position.

 

[BruinVol]

......and he missed high to a wide open TE on their last scoring drive. And he missed a deep ball on a great sluggo route. And he ate a couple that he probably should've thrown away. It's a tough position.

noooooooooooooo

only JG makes bad throws. That’s not possible

 

[sjt18]

This is clear evidence and of why our fans Are clearly clouded by biased predetermined opinions

The JG haters don’t see the mistakes made by all QBs just ones made by him. Hill had plenty of inaccurate throws Saturday night especially the pick 6. It was clearly a throw behind the receiver that caused the deflection but you and others clouded by bias can’t see that all QBs make poor inaccurate throws. Some more costly that others and that pick 6 was just that

Well, there are very few "JG haters" here. There are several of us who wish he was better but recognize he has serious flaws that hurt the team.

JG made throws behind several receivers that turned into catches. But your bias won't let you see that... right? Hill was decisive throwing the ball. He completed 60% of his 3rd down throws for over 90 yards. USCe literally has one quality receiver... and Hill had the accuracy and timing to get the ball to him consistently in spite of UT's efforts to cover him.

I've seen good, bad, and GREAT UT QB's. I view JG in that context and in comparison to other QB's around college football. Try actually watching some other games from this past Saturday. Let me know how many "good" QB's missed that many open receivers.

 

[sjt18]

noooooooooooooo

only JG makes bad throws. That’s not possible

Of course no one who criticizes JG believes that.... but you need to make that claim because you cannot defend JG otherwise. The facts line up against you.

 

[sjt18]

Yep that’s plain dumb to suggest

Well, some here just LOVE stats... when they claim that JG is "great"... but would rather ignore that stat line from Saturday.

There is no question Hill has less talent around him. Significantly less at the receiver positions. But he still completed more passes for more yardage at a higher completion %. Anyone who actually WATCHED the game would have to say he was more accurate and especially when throwing to a moving target. He also led his team to more offensive points.... and completed 60% of his 3rd down throws.

He threw the ball better. He simply did. He was "effective and efficient" on 3rd down. He hit receivers in stride. He missed some plays and had a few bad throws but nowhere near the number or simplicity of those missed by JG.

 

[BruinVol]

Biden is clearly not healthy in mind. He fades in and out. That's not bias... that's a fact.


JG made throws behind several receivers that turned into catches. But your bias won't let you see that... right? .

Wtf are you talking about? I clearly have said JG makes poor throws and clearly expect that to continue. All
QBs make poor throws and only the elite ones have a short list of them. JG nor Hill are elite ones that’s for sure

 

[BruinVol]

Well, some here just LOVE stats... when they claim that JG is "great"... but would rather ignore that stat line from Saturday.

There is no question Hill has less talent around him. Significantly less at the receiver positions. But he still completed more passes for more yardage at a higher completion %. Anyone who actually WATCHED the game would have to say he was more accurate and especially when throwing to a moving target. He also led his team to more offensive points.... and completed 60% of his 3rd down throws.

He threw the ball better. He simply did. He was "effective and efficient" on 3rd down. He hit receivers in stride. He missed some plays and had a few bad throws but nowhere near the number or simplicity of those missed by JG.

He made game changing poor throws by even your admission.

so let’s make this simple.
which QB you want

1) qb that makes 2 back to back game go ahead great Throws in the 4th qt



Or

2) the Qb that throws a pick 6 that cost his team the game


it ain’t a hard choice my man