2020 Presidential Race

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I've always wondered why Biden? I mean when Obama trotted him out as vice and now the Democrats running him this year.

It just hit me why, because he's done nothing so those years but make a few stupid comments but otherwise kept his head down and was virtually unnoticeable. He's the guy on the couch from "Half Baked"!
 
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OHvol40 said:
You think Trump might be a privately generous philanthropist? You would certainly be in the minority on that one.

There are plenty of people who are privately or publicly generous. Usually if they are a famous person those qualities are known a known commodity of sorts. Stories come out frequently. Trump just isn’t on a list of those people. Examples that come to mind are Peyton Manning, Warren Buffett, George Lucas, Matt Damon, Keanu Reeves, Robin Williams, Serena Williams, JJ Watt.

I know it’s seen as a virtue in our country to seek fortune, and that’s fine. If that’s your only drive, though, you are flawed in my opinion. To use a charity or university to rip people off or for personal gain... you’re scum.
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How about using public office (like congress) to become wealthy? Flawed, too?
 
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OHvol40 said:
You think Trump might be a privately generous philanthropist? You would certainly be in the minority on that one.

There are plenty of people who are privately or publicly generous. Usually if they are a famous person those qualities are known a known commodity of sorts. Stories come out frequently. Trump just isn’t on a list of those people. Examples that come to mind are Peyton Manning, Warren Buffett, George Lucas, Matt Damon, Keanu Reeves, Robin Williams, Serena Williams, JJ Watt.

I know it’s seen as a virtue in our country to seek fortune, and that’s fine. If that’s your only drive, though, you are flawed in my opinion. To use a charity or university to rip people off or for personal gain... you’re scum.
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I guess the point that bothers me - a lot actually - is that we revere the charitable giving of people who have more money than they know what to do with while neglecting someone who makes "insignificant" contributions that are an actual sacrifice to him.
 
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AM64 said:
I guess the point that bothers me - a lot actually - is that we revere the charitable giving of people who have more money than they know what to do with while neglecting someone who makes "insignificant" contributions that are an actual sacrifice to him.
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I don’t want to ignore the latter at all. I think we all know people who have little and give much and (hopefully) recognize those people as role models. Those are the people that are Christ-like that I admire, whether they are religious or not.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t want to ignore the latter at all. I think we all know people who have little and give much and (hopefully) recognize those people as roll models. Those are the people that are Christ-like that I admire, whether they are religious or not.
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I thought you would probably feel that way. There's no way to really acknowledge those people for their charity. I just wish that as a society we would stop with a lot of the celebrity worship, I wasn't being critical of you but of us as a society. By the way we don't often agree on politics but I have agreed with you several times in the covid forum. For the most part, I've quit participating over there because the gap between real scientific meaning and what people think is science is often astounding - or else my engineering background perverts my perspective of measurement and analysis.
 
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AM64 said:
I thought you would probably feel that way. There's no way to really acknowledge those people for their charity. I just wish that as a society we would stop with a lot of the celebrity worship, I wasn't being critical of you but of us as a society. By the way we don't often agree on politics but I have agreed with you several times in the covid forum. For the most part, I've quit participating over there because the gap between real scientific meaning and what people think is science is often astounding - or else my engineering background perverts my perspective of measurement and analysis.
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Agreed. I wish not only could people like that be acknowledged, but be put in positions to make decisions... alas it seems to be the ruthlessly ambitious that grab power rather than the consistently selfless.

Digressing, your points of view make a lot of sense to me personally, my brother is a civil engineer and thinks much the same way. Little time for conjecture and opinion, more concerned with the measurable and provable.
 
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AM64 said:
I thought you would probably feel that way. There's no way to really acknowledge those people for their charity. I just wish that as a society we would stop with a lot of the celebrity worship, I wasn't being critical of you but of us as a society. By the way we don't often agree on politics but I have agreed with you several times in the covid forum. For the most part, I've quit participating over there because the gap between real scientific meaning and what people think is science is often astounding - or else my engineering background perverts my perspective of measurement and analysis.
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As far as celebrity worship, I agree to a point. To borrow a quote from ‘Wolf of Wall Street’: Money “even allows you to be a better person.” This is true that many that have massive amounts of disposable income can appear more generous than they are. Still, some are obviously good people putting in massive amounts of time and effort toward philanthropic ventures. It’s ok that they are also successful, especially if their success isn’t unsavory.

The problem with the president is he doesn’t even appear to be generous despite having great means for his entire life.
 
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KB5252 said:
I've always wondered why Biden? I mean when Obama trotted him out as vice and now the Democrats running him this year.

It just hit me why, because he's done nothing so those years but make a few stupid comments but otherwise kept his head down and was virtually unnoticeable. He's the guy on the couch from "Half Baked"!
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He doesn't scare people. He's just Good Ole Joe from Scranton.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
The Giving Trump | The Charity Timeline
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Per The New York Times, in 1996, Donald Trump showed up uninvited, to the opening of a nursery school for children with HIV/AIDs. Trump sat on the stage, pretending to be a donor, when he had given nothing. He posed for photos with real donors, such as Frank and Kathie Lee Gifford and he also posed alongside his friend, Mayor Rudy Giuliani and the developer who actually donated generously to build the school. Then he drove away, having done nothing but take credit that he didn't deserve.

Frank Gifford confirmed this story to "Good Morning, America".
 
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