Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[VolGee4]

While I agree with your idea
on misdirection...the plays JC called had guys running wide open.

If JG is better, we would have hung at least 40+ on them...that is good play calling and bad execution by one position....period.

Yes and no. Some of it may be bad execution, but they know he is prone to bad execution. No one is surprised. So, go more for the higher probability conversions on 3rd and short instead of chucking it 20+ yards.

 

[Volnerd]

That’s a good way to put it, he is what he is, seems to lack touch or anticipation on his throws. Just throws howitzers. I guess there are plays in the playbook for that.

JG is a fastball pitcher who needs a change up. The high pitches might be that he is throwing off his back foot. I haven’t studied this but I’ll bet the coaches have.

 

[Jackcrevol]

JG is a fastball pitcher who needs a change up. The high pitches might be that he is throwing off his back foot. I haven’t studied this but I’ll bet the coaches have.

he never looked comfortable out there last weekend. very hesitant.

lord his arm is live. kid shoulda played baseball.

 

[Jack Burton]

Guys, is there any doubt among you that Pruitt and Chaney want to win as badly as they can? Trust their decision making when it comes to playing JG. They do not feel some sense of responsibility to play JG just because he's been there and has seniority. They clearly think he's their best option right now. As fans, we generally get so little information on the inner workings of the coaching staff and the squad. This year, the well has been even drier due to COVID. I get that arguing about JG gives us all something to do between the games, but trust the staff. They have more information and more experience than any of us will ever have.

I don’t want this to be a JG debate. It’s not JGs fault he’s mediocre but keeps starting. He shouldn’t be the best option at this point. In year 3 we should have better options at that position. That responsibility lies with the HC. He’s improved the team everywhere else but handicaps himself by not finding a suitable QB replacement that’s capable of high level SEC football. We’re essentially handcuffed until JG is replaced.

JG historically performs decent against USCe and Missouri but after that it’s big boy football and just managing the game won’t be enough to win against the higher tier teams.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yes and no. Some of it may be bad execution, but they know he is prone to bad execution. No one is surprised. So, go more for the higher probability conversions on 3rd and short instead of chucking it 20+ yards.

Uhhmm...I am sure they expected better than a 10% completion percentage on wide open, no pressure throws...even considering his usual deficiencies.

Also...he was making good throws on earlier downs, so there is that too to consider when criticizing the play calling.

 

[VolGee4]

Uhhmm...I am sure they expected better than a 10% completion percentage on wide open, no pressure throws...even considering his usual deficiencies.

Also...he was making good throws on earlier downs, so there is that too to consider when criticizing the play calling.

Now you are just creating numbers out of thin air. I will be done with it.

 

[BruinVol]

he never looked comfortable out there last weekend. very hesitant.

lord his arm is live. kid shoulda played baseball.

boy he looked extremely comfortable to me when his team needed him the most on that game winning TD drive in the 4th qt

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Just charted the incompletions. He out right overthrew 7 of his 12 incompletions, of those 7 2 went through the hands of Brandon Johnson, 1 was the opposite shoulder deep ball to Ramel Keyton (I think Keyton was looking for it on the wrong shoulder though). These 3 are kind of as much on the WR as JG.

Of the other 5 throws
1 drop by Keyton outright
1 he threw ahead of Johnson where the WR stopped the route short
1 where him and Keyton were on a different page not sure if wrong route or on JG honestly
1 he threw behind Keyton, but was heavily pressured
1 he threw behind Hyatt

So after rewatching this I actually think some of this can be attributed to Jennings/Calloway always high pointing and him being comfortable with going high because of that. To me at least of the 12 incompletions I feel like 5 of them were just bad throws purely on JG.

in 1st with 8:25 left he missed Keyton wide open on the sideline (no pressure)
3rd & 3 in the 1st with 1:28 left he missed Fant completely (no pressure)
3rd & 2 in the 2nd 8:12 left he threw behind Jalin Hyatt (no pressure)
in the 3rd 3:04 left he overthrows Jones Jr. in the endzone (no pressure, 1 defender)
start of 4th quarter he overthrows Palmer

2 for sure were balls that were a tad high that Johnson got hands on where I think Jennings or Calloway woulda made the catches (not that these were great passes, but catchable)


So yeah, he hits on 5-7 of these that he really could have placed a better ball on and obviously it changes the game. Wonder if Keyton missed some practice, 5 of the 12 incompletions were to him and a couple times they just seemed to be on different pages.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Lol..ok

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Just charted the incompletions. He out right overthrew 7 of his 12 incompletions, of those 7 2 went through the hands of Brandon Johnson, 1 was the opposite shoulder deep ball to Ramel Keyton (I think Keyton was looking for it on the wrong shoulder though). These 3 are kind of as much on the WR as JG.

Of the other 5 throws
1 drop by Keyton outright
1 he threw ahead of Johnson where the WR stopped the route short
1 where him and Keyton were on a different page not sure if wrong route or on JG honestly
1 he threw behind Keyton, but was heavily pressured
1 he threw behind Hyatt

So after rewatching this I actually think some of this can be attributed to Jennings/Calloway always high pointing and him being comfortable with going high because of that. To me at least of the 12 incompletions I feel like 5 of them were just bad throws purely on JG.

in 1st with 8:25 left he missed Keyton wide open on the sideline (no pressure)
3rd & 3 in the 1st with 1:28 left he missed Fant completely (no pressure)
3rd & 2 in the 2nd 8:12 left he threw behind Jalin Hyatt (no pressure)
in the 3rd 3:04 left he overthrows Jones Jr. in the endzone (no pressure, 1 defender)
start of 4th quarter he overthrows Palmer

2 for sure were balls that were a tad high that Johnson got hands on where I think Jennings or Calloway woulda made the catches (not that these were great passes, but catchable)


So yeah, he hits on 5-7 of these that he really could have placed a better ball on and obviously it changes the game. Wonder if Keyton missed some practice, 5 of the 12 incompletions were to him and a couple times they just seemed to be on different pages.

The short route to Johnson; are you referring to the slant he ran that would have been a touchdown if JG hits him? If so, that was on JG. Brandon was open and it would have been a touchdown. He threw a bullet when he didn’t need to.

 

[VolGee4]

Just charted the incompletions. He out right overthrew 7 of his 12 incompletions, of those 7 2 went through the hands of Brandon Johnson, 1 was the opposite shoulder deep ball to Ramel Keyton (I think Keyton was looking for it on the wrong shoulder though). These 3 are kind of as much on the WR as JG.

Of the other 5 throws
1 drop by Keyton outright
1 he threw ahead of Johnson where the WR stopped the route short
1 where him and Keyton were on a different page not sure if wrong route or on JG honestly
1 he threw behind Keyton, but was heavily pressured
1 he threw behind Hyatt

So after rewatching this I actually think some of this can be attributed to Jennings/Calloway always high pointing and him being comfortable with going high because of that. To me at least of the 12 incompletions I feel like 5 of them were just bad throws purely on JG.

in 1st with 8:25 left he missed Keyton wide open on the sideline (no pressure)
3rd & 3 in the 1st with 1:28 left he missed Fant completely (no pressure)
3rd & 2 in the 2nd 8:12 left he threw behind Jalin Hyatt (no pressure)
in the 3rd 3:04 left he overthrows Jones Jr. in the endzone (no pressure, 1 defender)
start of 4th quarter he overthrows Palmer

2 for sure were balls that were a tad high that Johnson got hands on where I think Jennings or Calloway woulda made the catches (not that these were great passes, but catchable)


So yeah, he hits on 5-7 of these that he really could have placed a better ball on and obviously it changes the game. Wonder if Keyton missed some practice, 5 of the 12 incompletions were to him and a couple times they just seemed to be on different pages.

Great analysis! I have said my piece on the 3rd and 2 miss to Hyatt. I would really like to be a fly on the wall to hear the coaches discuss that play. It was an across the hash throw on a play where we needed 2 yards.

I thought the throw to Velus in the endzone was sufficient. Only our guy was going to catch it, and the defender was on him. It appeared to me that Velus didn't get a great jump and extension on the ball.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

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[Brillovol]

I Mike Leach.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The short route to Johnson; are you referring to the slant he ran that would have been a touchdown if JG hits him? If so, that was on JG. Brandon was open and it would have been a touchdown. He threw a bullet when he didn’t need to.

3rd & 5 in the redzone across the middle the bullet was expected. Johnson outright stopped his route (probably to avoid running behind the Umpire?). JG throws it a little lighter it's a TD probably, but if Brandon finishes the route it's an even easier touchdown.


One thing I will say though, I love the fact that of all the throws (completions & incompletions), I didn't really see one where JG forced it into double coverage. And Brandon made a fantastic catch on his one hand grab, but that was about the best throw ya could make too. I felt mostly positive about our offense, any game where you can play that clean on penalties and not turnover the ball while having 5 possessions with a chance to score is a good evening.

I was a bit more worried about the defense, especially in the 2nd half. We opened the 2nd half with a 75 yard drive to go up 21-7. Then our defense allowed USC to score on 3 long drives (75yds - TD, 71yds - TD, 69yds - FG) on their next 4 possessions. Coming out of the half with a 2 TD lead, hopefully they play a more complete game against Missouri.

 

[Devo182]

3rd & 5 in the redzone across the middle the bullet was expected. Johnson outright stopped his route (probably to avoid running behind the Umpire?). JG throws it a little lighter it's a TD probably, but if Brandon finishes the route it's an even easier touchdown.


One thing I will say though, I love the fact that of all the throws (completions & incompletions), I didn't really see one where JG forced it into double coverage. And Brandon made a fantastic catch on his one hand grab, but that was about the best throw ya could make too. I felt mostly positive about our offense, any game where you can play that clean on penalties and not turnover the ball while having 5 possessions with a chance to score is a good evening.

I was a bit more worried about the defense, especially in the 2nd half. We opened the 2nd half with a 75 yard drive to go up 21-7. Then our defense allowed USC to score on 3 long drives (75yds - TD, 71yds - TD, 69yds - FG) on their next 4 possessions. Coming out of the half with a 2 TD lead, hopefully they play a more complete game against Missouri.

That was surprising. We are usually very good at adjusting as the game goes on. But...Bobo, if anyone, would know what Pruitt is planning. If he even half-succeeded at freakin Colorado St against Bama, you knew he'd know what to do this time as well.

Drunkwitz will have no idea...kid is out of his league.

 

[orangejuice]

Great analysis! I have said my piece on the 3rd and 2 miss to Hyatt. I would really like to be a fly on the wall to hear the coaches discuss that play. It was an across the hash throw on a play where we needed 2 yards.

I thought the throw to Velus in the endzone was sufficient. Only our guy was going to catch it, and the defender was on him. It appeared to me that Velus didn't get a great jump and extension on the ball.

I feel like Velus just misread the location of the ball, he turn and backstepped too early and the ball sailed over him. If he took a few more steps before turning, I think he catches that.

 

[BruinVol]

The short route to Johnson; are you referring to the slant he ran that would have been a touchdown if JG hits him? If so, that was on JG. Brandon was open and it would have been a touchdown. He threw a bullet when he didn’t need to.

A bullet was exactly what had to be thrown Into that tight window in the redzone

 

[MoCo_Vol]

That was surprising. We are usually very good at adjusting as the game goes on. But...Bobo, if anyone, would know what he is planning. If he half-succeeded at freakin Colo St vs Bama, you knew he'd know what to do. Drunkwitz will have no idea...he is out of his league.

Not to mention it was Bobo and -his- 5th year QB that came with him to USC.

1st half offense scores 7 with 147 total yards
2nd half offense scores 17 with 257 total yards (with a missed FG too)


Sure if JG plays out of his mind we win a blowout, but hell if the defense matches their 1st half performance we also win in a blowout. Gave up 20 and 274 total yards in 2nd half.

 

[OrangenSC]

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You need to get a exact estimate on what your cards are worth instead of potentially losing money.

Also, they are Beckett Certified.

This. Don’t take our word for it how much they’re worth. You just can’t tell without seeing them in your hand, and knowing your stuff.

 

[Vols4us]

If any of you had seen JG practice during his redshirt year in camp you would realize he looked the same then as he does now as a passer. Still doing the same things, good and bad. JG and ceiling are synonymous terms IMO.

JMO, I don't think elite QB's can be made. I think they make themselves and possess natural abilities they learn to exploit. If they receive good coaching that enhances their understanding they succeed at a high level and lift their teams. Never have seen that in JG. Doesn't make him a bad person. He's just not proven to be somebody who can lead the team to elite level success.

Meanwhile 3 other talented guys get to stand on the sidelines and watch. Not our decision to make. The coaches get paid the big bucks to decide that. But I do not completely understand continuing to play a QB with proven limits if there is a dedication to excellence for the entire team and program. I would pick the one with the most talent and best work ethic (combined), take a few lumps during games (which are happening anyway), and come out better off for the long term as the season progressed. Just me, I guess.

 

[OrangenSC]

Depending on those Mantles that $800 offer is probably extremely low. That reprint box is $350-$400+ itself.

Sorry man, the reprint set is not worth that much, at least not for him.

For one, It’s opened; that automatically drops it’s potential value a ton.

Also, since he isn’t a dealer he won’t be able to sell it at retail value.

Easiest way to see how he could potentially get for that in real life (not theoretically) is go to an online marketplace like eBay and see how much an opened one is actually selling for.

 

[pierce60]

I think what is showing up for the coaches in practice is less turn overs.

I think the coaches look for 4 things from their QB’s....
-Can you get the O in the right play? If not, it’s probably not gonna matter how good your arm is.
-Accuracy. That’s obvious
-Can you avoid turnovers?
-How does the O respond to you in the huddle?

It’s not JUST about completing passes.

 

[Devo182]

Meanwhile 3 other talented guys get to stand on the sidelines and watch. Not our decision to make. The coaches get paid the big bucks to decide that. But I do not completely understand continuing to play a QB with proven limits if there is a dedication to excellence for the entire team and program. I would pick the one with the most talent and best work ethic (combined), take a few lumps during games (which are happening anyway), and come out better off for the long term as the season progressed. Just me, I guess.

So...take a few lumps and lose extra games early on in the (hopes) they progress and win extra late games to get us back to even? Again...HOPES...

You play...to win...the game. Every game. I'll ride with this Spring chicken James Cheney or whatever his name is.

 

[orangejuice]

If any of you had seen JG practice during his redshirt year in camp you would realize he looked the same then as he does now as a passer. Still doing the same things, good and bad. JG and ceiling are synonymous terms IMO.

JMO, I don't think elite QB's can be made. I think they make themselves and possess natural abilities they learn to exploit. If they receive good coaching that enhances their understanding they succeed at a high level and lift their teams. Never have seen that in JG. Doesn't make him a bad person. He's just not proven to be somebody who can lead the team to elite level success.

Meanwhile 3 other talented guys get to stand on the sidelines and watch. Not our decision to make. The coaches get paid the big bucks to decide that. But I do not completely understand continuing to play a QB with proven limits if there is a dedication to excellence for the entire team and program. I would pick the one with the most talent and best work ethic (combined), take a few lumps during games (which are happening anyway), and come out better off for the long term as the season progressed. Just me, I guess.

Would you still chose that plan if it cost us a game? I would assume our coaches think we will win more games with JG at this time that someone else. It may set us up to win more long term with a different QB, but it also might cost us some recruits that see us not being able to get over the hump.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

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