Year 4 ... Same Old JG

[WBO]

Do you really thing that Pruitt starts JG for any reason other that it's who JP thinks gives him the best chance to wing the game?

I just remember all those fans who said Fulmer was playing favorites by starting Peyton over Brandon Stewart. They argued Stewart should start because he was such a good runner and Peyton couldn't scramble. The coaches always just want to win.

 

[1vol8]

What is ridiculously foolish is for someone to believe a coach can't be baised!.

Coaches are some of the most biased people you will ever encounter in life!

I was torn last Saturday watching Brian be a good teammate on the sideline. It seems like he's just trying to be happy. You would know more than me specifically. Personally I wish he would become a little more selfish and focused on taking the job back. Take the business approach.

Mizzou...
I don't know what happened, but their front 7 is light years better than last year. Their Ends and LBs are really aggressive and explosive. I expect Brian to get his first chance Saturday.

He legitimately wants JG to succeed. So his business approach isn’t with JG because he knows he has time that JG doesn’t. Believe it or not what we see on film is actually the truth. The 3 of them really are that close and root for each other. However there is more to that story concerning others but I’ll leave that alone.

Unless the game is getting out of hand I don’t expect to see him tbh unless Chaney prepares two game plans knowing that’s a possibility like the spring game. Pruitt knows what he has in Brian but without preparation he’s not what he’s capable of being.

 

[m1al]

Season still counts and sets the pace for future recruiting/momentum. HC takes a “mulligan” on the season and everyone doesn’t take one on him.

I agree, for the most part, concerning recruiting. I think coaches are likely to receive some 'slack' from employers this year though.. Also, I think a majority of fans would see it as 'building for the future' and if you're going to experiment it's probably a good year to do it.. jmho....

Don't get me wrong, I like and support CJP. I do worry a little that he may be a bit to conservative.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

It would be wasted time as you are completely sold on JG being permanently benched. But I will throw out one little thing. You state JG was 99% responsible for S.C. scoring. Please tell me how JG affected the gamecocks opening drive, you know the drive to open the game,JG had not touched the football but was still responsible for giving up a score?

He is 99% responsible for the game not being a blowout. If he had made the routine throws in 3rd down notes in the post someone here took the time to detail , this was over by halftime or definitely by the end of the 3rd quarter.

 

[norrislakevol]

He is 99% responsible for the game not being a blowout. If he had made the routine throws in 3rd down notes in the post someone here took the time to detail , this was over by halftime or definitely by the end of the 3rd quarter.

The missing players and shuffling in the secondary are just as much to blame IMO. Take away the high throws from JG and the poor coverage at times from our secondary and this game is nowhere near close.

 

[advancedrescue27]

That's dumb by your own proof. BM had more yards against one of the best, most talented D's in college football IN A HALF than JG had against this particular USCe D.

Maurer was nowhere near good enough to beat UGA. His game was and maybe even is limited by lack of development and experience. Yet the things he was prepared to do... he did very well and better than anything we've seen from JG against a top tier opponent.

I don't know what it will take to force Pruitt's hand again. But the same basic weakness that you and Pulaski deny exists... once again showed up this past Saturday. There are several reasons a QB throws high. One of the most common is when they attempt to rush through a throwing motion. One of the more common reasons a QB throws behind a breaking receiver is a late decision.

It appears that the coaches HAVE recognized that weakness you've denied ever existed and have tried to coach him up. There are still problems and they will cost UT games if they cannot correct him or else won't replace him. (That's not to say others don't also have problems that will cost the O). UT needs MUCH better play from the QB position regardless of who it is... than what JG did vs USCe. And... it has to be consistent.

All that said, JG's TD to #5 might have been his best throw as a Vol. Perfect read. Perfect ball placement. Perfect timing.

Yeah it’s rather amazing how people can cling to a player till the end. I like JG a lot, great kid, strong, and loyal to UT. At times he is very very good, but the rest of the time we know what the results will be. I guess it’s just frustrating watching other teams QBs light it up, but lack the amount of talent around them that UT has. All while we enjoy getting talent around our QB, just for the QB to consistently not step up. JG is in a lot of ways like Dobbs, atleast in results go. JD wasn’t a great/consistent passer, so they relied heavily on the run/scramble game, and our O line was the best. This caused defenses to not respect the passing game and crowd the line. Now our O line is top notch, but JG is a problem when throwing the ball. He actually in my opinion did better when the line was bad and made him scramble more.
Sad thing is it’s not his physical capabilities holding him back, it’s mental. I so badly want him to get it together, even for his sake. But I’d be foolish to believe it’ll happen at this point.
I’m terrified that he will return for yet another year since his eligibility won’t be affected this year. I think BM can perform at minimum the same, if not better. I also noticed the offense seem to come alive more when he came in last year, which is telling. Finally, my ultimate would be for somehow HB to show he’s a stud to the coaches, but trying to not go down that road.

 

[advancedrescue27]

In large part because of JG's 1 for 7 on 3rd down, USCe had over 34 minutes of possession while UT had just over 25. USCe had 74 plays. UT had 65.

UT had almost a yard more per play mostly because of the run game. His miscues specifically put the D at a disadvantage. He missed plays that a player with his experience and arm talent should make in their sleep.

The whole defense being forced on the field after 3 and outs have been a big issue for years. During butch years we would get the lead early and he would try to coast out lead till the end. So after 2 1/2 quarters of our defense handling the opponent they would tire out. Then the fans would try to blame them for the loss.
the bigger problem is people don’t recognize how the O and D have to balance that out. Also don’t realize why teams like Bama have so much success, not just in wins but also the balance between O and D. Saban said it during the post game interview just the other night. They play as if there’s no score board, so every drive is a must score, all the way to the end. That’s very important. Even if backups are in the game. What’s the point of putting in a backup QB just to let him hand the ball off each down?

 

[IMALLVOL22]

We still after all this time with JG. We watch him throw late, throw high, and throw 100 mph fastball to a player 10 yds away. This is my pet pea of all looking at 1 receiver 2 throw too. He has his eyes on 1 guy too throw too. Mr. Telegraph Senior JG.

 

[Volinnooga]

19/31 259 yards 1 TD no TOs, leads 4th quarter drive to win opening game, in conference, on the road.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Lol New year same ole BS. Give it a break. JG is going to be our QB. Period. Get used to it or stop watching.

 

[butchna]

I agree, for the most part, concerning recruiting. I think coaches are likely to receive some 'slack' from employers this year though.. Also, I think a majority of fans would see it as 'building for the future' and if you're going to experiment it's probably a good year to do it.. jmho....

Don't get me wrong, I like and support CJP. I do worry a little that he may be a bit to conservative.

You slack and fans notice...players notice...employers jot it down. Future’s now. You don’t put off winning.

 

[m1al]

You slack and fans notice...players notice...employers jot it down. Future’s now. You don’t put off winning.

I'm not saying CJP should slack off and put off winning, simply give another QB a real shot. We probably lose one for it but we'll probably win one JG wouldn't have. In the meantime said QB gets real experience/development. That's just me 'playin with my money' though. Ultimately I'll roll with CJP, he gets paid to do this not me.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

QB = JG. I was surprised after all the coaching up he goes through he hasn't gotten any better at all.

Hope to see Harrison Bailey sometime this year ...... it would be a great improvement for the team.

Doubt Bailey plays. Especially with the limited practices.

 

[MemphisVol77]

He legitimately wants JG to succeed. So his business approach isn’t with JG because he knows he has time that JG doesn’t. Believe it or not what we see on film is actually the truth. The 3 of them really are that close and root for each other. However there is more to that story concerning others but I’ll leave that alone.

I'm not gonna go back over the past year pulling quotes from conversations, but I don't see Pruitt making JG/BM a personal decision.

I'm inclined to believe Pruitt learned a lesson about the necessity of agreeing on philosophy & establishing a personal rapport with his coordinators after Tyson Helton's departure.

@sjt18 pointed out allot of good reasons to refute your idea of Pruitt having a personal preference for JG & I'll throw another in there.

5-6 years from now, with an SEC Championship or two under his belt, Pruitt might tell Chaney's OC replacement who he's starting at QB before the new guy signs the dotted line.

Doesn't Chaney want to retire here after this stint? It doesn't swing anywhere close enough to the ground for Pruitt to push that JG personal decision, when hiring a new OC, past Fulmer's guidance after his 5-7 record as a 1st year head coach. Chaney's too savvy to put himself in that position at this stage of his career anyway.

This ain't no dang Currie, Butch, & L. Scott sh!t show no more.

Now moving past all that deal bartering, Chaney's career metrics show he generally plays it conservative for a test ride his 1st year on an OC stint.
How much can Jim Chaney improve the Tennessee offense in year one? Here’s what the numbers tell us

I realize I'm kinda presenting my thoughts on this in a suppositional manner but,

there is more to that story concerning others but I’ll leave that alone.

unless Chaney were to take another OC job, I haven't felt this fires heat and I don't see any smoke.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

He was prepared for two weeks going in because all the time and resources prior were poured into JG. Idk what so hard to understand about a freshman qb making his first start vs the #3 team in the country on a mere 2 weeks of prep NOT being able to sustain two halves of production. Neither him nor Chaney had the time to prepare to make adjustments within game plans at halftime on just two weeks bro! You’re expecting the impossible and attaching it to a lack of talent. It’s ridiculous!

You act like he's the 1st QB in TN history whose 1st start was against Alabama and nobody really cares who it was against. Bottom line is that it's happened in Knoxville before and almost every one of them put up better Fr stats. Keep singing that tune but quit acting like BM went through something that we haven't all seen before in Knoxville. You being a big fan of TN football should already know that.

 

[1vol8]

You act like he's the 1st QB in TN history whose 1st start was against Alabama and nobody really cares who it was against. Bottom line is that it's happened in Knoxville before and almost every one of them put up better Fr stats. Keep singing that tune but quit acting like BM went through something that we haven't all seen before in Knoxville. You being a big fan of TN football should already know that.

Name the qb that faced the #3 team or higher in the country in his first start and the #1 team in his third as a true freshman and I’ll say you got a point. Otherwise you’re FOS. Peyton played Washington State in his first start and my guess is they were a far cry from the 2019 UGA team. Dobbs freshman year he played in 5 games where he threw 2 tds and 6 ints. Sound familiar? Seems you would’ve been wrong about him too with those eerily similar stats.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Name the qb that faced the #3 team or higher in the country in his first start and the #1 team in his third as a true freshman and I’ll say you got a point. Otherwise you’re FOS. Peyton played Washington State in his first start and my guess is they were a far cry from the 2019 UGA team. Dobbs freshman year he played in 5 games where he threw 2 tds and 6 ints. Sound familiar? Seems you would’ve been wrong about him too with those eerily similar stats.

Off the top of my head, I think Washington St had a top 15 or top 20 defense.

Playing good against their D is what got a bunch of us stoked about Manning and our future with Manning.

Wash St's Defense wasn't in bama or Georgia's class though.

 

[1vol8]

Off the top of my head, I think Washington St had a top 15 or top 20 defense.

Playing good against their D is what got a bunch of us stoked about Manning and our future with Manning.

Wash St's Defense wasn't in bama or Georgia's class though.

If so they were better than I thought but still not on UGA or Bamas level and Maurer posted better numbers vs them then manning did vs wash st. So where’s the excitement for Maurer? I don’t get it

 

[SprocketRocket]

Here is my take, for what it is worth.

This is a crazy year.

• Virtually no Spring practice.
• Because of stay at home orders, no summer workouts.
• After the go-ahead, TN misses roughly 20% of their allotted practices when they really needed double the practices.

I believe that for Pruitt, JG presented a stable presence at QB for a push game at the beginning of a season FULL of complete unknowns. If we had not been able to score, I believe we would have seen a change. We were in the game the whole game, so I believe he chose to leave well enough alone and just ride JG's experience at QB. Pruitt isn't playing JG because he is playing favorites. He needs to win to keep his job, but more than that, I believe he WANTS to win because he is clearly very competitive. I believe he is playing the QB that he feels gives us the best chance to win. I really do.

I'm not a JG hater, but in the past I have been very critical of his play. Against SC he didn't play particularly well in my opinion. It was really the same old JG. He missed wide open receivers while under no pressure and held the ball too long a couple of times which is just his way. He has flashes of brilliance and flashes of freshman-ism, and in my opinion is the poster boy for inconsistency. This is not what you would expect from a 5th-year senior, or a 4th-year junior, or a 3rd-year sophomore for that matter, but it is what we've come to expect from JG. You can't argue with his heart and guts, though, and it is clear that he loves UT.

But the bottom line is we won the game. He was the starting QB, and much to many on here's chagrin, he will most likely start again against MO. Unless JG struggles and we are behind big-time, or we are winning and the score is out of reach, we are likely to not see anyone else behind center this week either. I say let Pruitt do his job, and when/if it is time to play another QB, he will let him play instead. Just speaking for myself, I am ready.

 

[sjt18]

I'm not gonna go back over the past year pulling quotes from conversations, but I don't see Pruitt making JG/BM a personal decision.

I'm inclined to believe Pruitt learned a lesson about the necessity of agreeing on philosophy & establishing a personal rapport with his coordinators after Tyson Helton's departure.

@sjt18 pointed out allot of good reasons to refute your idea of Pruitt having a personal preference for JG & I'll throw another in there.

5-6 years from now, with an SEC Championship or two under his belt, Pruitt might tell Chaney's OC replacement who he's starting at QB before the new guy signs the dotted line.

Doesn't Chaney want to retire here after this stint? It doesn't swing anywhere close enough to the ground for Pruitt to push that JG personal decision, when hiring a new OC, past Fulmer's guidance after his 5-7 record as a 1st year head coach. Chaney's too savvy to put himself in that position at this stage of his career anyway.

This ain't no dang Currie, Butch, & L. Scott sh!t show no more.

Now moving past all that deal bartering, Chaney's career metrics show he generally plays it conservative for a test ride his 1st year on an OC stint.
How much can Jim Chaney improve the Tennessee offense in year one? Here’s what the numbers tell us

I realize I'm kinda presenting my thoughts on this in a suppositional manner but, unless Chaney were to take another OC job, I haven't felt this fires heat and I don't see any smoke.

You knew I had to....

One exception to what you said here. Every HC does or should retain the final decision on who his QB is. It is the most important and impactful (I hate that word) position on the field. The HC's future literally hangs on making the right decision. You can pretty easily alternate every other position within a game. Alternating QB's almost never works out.

I think Pruitt would be very wise to defer to Chaney considering Chaney's experience and history with great QB's. But it ultimately has to be his call regardless of who the OC is.

I am also not dismissing @1vol8 's perspective. At a bare minimum, he could be reflecting the feelings of Maurer or others close to Maurer. It is a temptation for any of us to assume some personal bias when we do not get a job over someone else or see others treated in ways we think we deserve.

What I am saying is that there are people here taking shots at him and saying things are "not true"... that could be an accurate representation of real feelings/perspectives.


I only have a "high level" view from the reports and actions we see. That's how my long running antagonism with k-town began. I accurately read the "tea leaves" that said QD had won the starting job over JG. There were a few leaked reports and then "tip offs" that could be gleaned from actions.

Another thing I think mitigates somewhat against it being personal is that Maurer didn't leave. There are a lot of programs who needed a young talented QB. I am sure he had some great options. But he stayed. He may make a business decision at some point to leave but if it were personal... I think you'd have seen a somewhat noisy departure. That's even more powerful to me since they brought in HB who most presume to be the QB of the future.

 

[KnoxToTheBoro93]

Y’all gotta stop wanting to hate JG so bad y’all know how this offseason been and timing was gonna be off game 1... look at the bigger picture he read the defense with ease was a little off on some throws but a couple of them are on the Wrs every throw not gonna be perfect... he looks much more comfortable he will be more accurate Chaney didn’t help him by not running either we will be just fine with JG we need to let 3 and 8 do more

 

[whodeycin85]

You knew I had to....

One exception to what you said here. Every HC does or should retain the final decision on who his QB is. It is the most important and impactful (I hate that word) position on the field. The HC's future literally hangs on making the right decision. You can pretty easily alternate every other position within a game. Alternating QB's almost never works out.

I think Pruitt would be very wise to defer to Chaney considering Chaney's experience and history with great QB's. But it ultimately has to be his call regardless of who the OC is.

I am also not dismissing @1vol8 's perspective. At a bare minimum, he could be reflecting the feelings of Maurer or others close to Maurer. It is a temptation for any of us to assume some personal bias when we do not get a job over someone else or see others treated in ways we think we deserve.

What I am saying is that there are people here taking shots at him and saying things are "not true"... that could be an accurate representation of real feelings/perspectives.


I only have a "high level" view from the reports and actions we see. That's how my long running antagonism with k-town began. I accurately read the "tea leaves" that said QD had won the starting job over JG. There were a few leaked reports and then "tip offs" that could be gleaned from actions.

Another thing I think mitigates somewhat against it being personal is that Maurer didn't leave. There are a lot of programs who needed a young talented QB. I am sure he had some great options. But he stayed. He may make a business decision at some point to leave but if it were personal... I think you'd have seen a somewhat noisy departure. That's even more powerful to me since they brought in HB who most presume to be the QB of the future.

Funny you brought up leaving thr offence to the OC....there were some analysts saying thr same about Muschamp and how that was the hardest thing for defense minded coaches to do....

 

[Volfan2012]

Evidently JG is our best QB right now so have to hope he plays better than he played against SC. I don't understand the high throws been here long enough to know how to throw correctly. Our WR's are all dynamic make JG better than he is hopefully they will keep doing that.

 

[Remy]

Isn't BM the player we had during the off season that had some sort of incident where he had to get his mood medication straightened out?

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Isn't BM the player we had during the off season that had some sort of incident where he had to get his mood medication straightened out?

He has had some mental health issues from what I gather.