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#76,930
BowlBrother85 said:
In reality, Trump did downplay the virus and specifically admitted to doing so during a recorded interview. You have spin. I have a recorded conversation and Trump's exact words.
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I have all the facts or actions Trump took it March. Which part of the actions I referenced were not true? The public was always in the loop and informed by the administration of the deadly consequences of Covid. This is election year BS by the liberal left.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I have all the facts or actions Trump took it March. Which part of the actions I referenced were not true? The public was always in the loop and informed by the administration of the deadly consequences of Covid. This is election year BS by the liberal left.
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No, they are Donald Trump's own words during a recorded conversation. There is no BS required from the liberal left. Just a transcript. Like I said, you have spin control. I have Trump's own words... and just as a refresher (because I'm sure you have heard them):

"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." - President Donald Trump, speaking to Robert Woodward on March 19th.

And these words are very much at odds with what Trump was publicly saying in February and early March about the serious nature of the Coronavirus.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, they are Donald Trump's own words during a recorded conversation. There is no BS required from the liberal left. Just a transcript. Like I said, you have spin control. I have Trump's own words... and just as a refresher (because I'm sure you have heard them):

"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." - President Donald Trump, speaking to Robert Woodward on March 19th.
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He qualified the “playing it down”
with he did not want to create a “Panic”. Tell me when he exactly played down the serious of the pandemic and specifically what did
he play down. He was ahead of the left by shutting down travel from China which was roundly criticized by the same leftist officials. Hypocrisy at it’s best and all for political purposes. As I stated he had a odd way of wording things and could of done better but give me one example where Trump downplayed Covid.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, they are Donald Trump's own words during a recorded conversation. There is no BS required from the liberal left. Just a transcript. Like I said, you have spin control. I have Trump's own words... and just as a refresher (because I'm sure you have heard them):

"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." - President Donald Trump, speaking to Robert Woodward on March 19th.

And these words are very much at odds with what Trump was publicly saying in February and early March about the serious nature of the Coronavirus.
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Trump should have never listened to Fauci
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He qualified the “playing it down”
with he did not want to create a “Panic”. Tell me when he exactly played down the serious of the pandemic and specifically what did
he play down. He was ahead of the left by shutting down travel from China which was roundly criticized by the same leftist officials. Hypocrisy at it’s best and all for political purposes. As I stated he had a odd way of wording things and could of done better but give me one example where Trump downplayed Covid.
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On January 28th, Trump re-tweeted a headline from One America News, which said "Johnson & Johnson to create Coronavirus vaccine,". Trump knew that wasn't true.

On January 30th, during a speech in Michigan, Trump said: "We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment - five. And those people are all recuperating successfully." Trump's interviews make it clear that he was lying when he said this.

In early February, the Trump Administration could have begun to use a functioning test from the World Health Organization but it didn't. They could have removed regulations that prevented hospitals and labs from quickly developing their own tests, but they didn't. This inaction meant that the United States fell behind South Korea in fighting the virus.

Throughout late February, Trump continued to falsely claim that the situation was improving. He knew it wasn't. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up." - Trump, on February 27th.
 
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hog88 said:
It is oppressive when the .gov mandates them.
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Maybe, but when .idiots en masse don't use helmets and seatbelts because they aren't required, then we pay for it in insurance rates, higher hospital costs because they have to admit and care for .idiots regardless, and taxes to support the non insured. Without the goons who believe medical care is a right and they can shove the cost of care for the ones who can't/won't be responsible, we might be more in agreement; but at this point, we can't be decoupled from everybody else. I can't figure out how we could even get rid of Obamacare - like putting toothpaste back in the tube - damn socialists broke the system.
 
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37L1 said:
So what should "their governing agencies and leadership" have done and when that wasn't done or done soon enough, what should have been the consequences?
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Well, first, the CDC has capabilities, guidelines, standards, and protocols regarding screening and tracing. Leadership at HHS and the WH refused to deploy them in this manner when it mattered.

Then, the CDC started to deploy their standard procedures for mitigation during a pandemic and were again stifled from the top. Trump didn’t even free up the funds for them to do this by waiting until late March to declare a national emergency.

Then, instead of being allowed to serve their given purpose they are silenced, contradicted, and blackballed by Trump and his appointees for the sake of perception.

Then, after it’s already way too late, all of the normal duties of the CDC are unwillingly delegated to the states who are unequipped and unprepared to fulfill the CDC’s duties.

What should be the consequences? If it were up to me, heads would roll immediately. In reality, I’m sure some after-action commission will be formed and a report will come out 2-3 years from now pointing out exactly how inept everyone in leadership was, how they’ll make a plan to “fix it”, and nothing will really happen.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
On January 28th, Trump re-tweeted a headline from One America News, which said "Johnson & Johnson to create Coronavirus vaccine,". Trump knew that wasn't true.

On January 30th, during a speech in Michigan, Trump said: "We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment - five. And those people are all recuperating successfully." Trump's interviews make it clear that he was lying when he said this.

In early February, the Trump Administration could have begun to use a functioning test from the World Health Organization but it didn't. They could have removed regulations that prevented hospitals and labs from quickly developing their own tests, but they didn't. This inaction meant that the United States fell behind South Korea in fighting the virus.

Throughout late February, Trump continued to falsely claim that the situation was improving. He knew it wasn't. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up." - Trump, on February 27th.
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But he was following Fauci and the science. They were stating the same thing? Also how did Trump know Johnson and Johnson was not preparing a vaccine? Trump routinely retweet’s information which may be good news. He’s a cheerleader for the country. That had always been a part of every Presidents agenda.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, first, the CDC has capabilities, guidelines, standards, and protocols regarding screening and tracing. Leadership at HHS and the WH refused to deploy them in this manner when it mattered.

Then, the CDC started to deploy their standard procedures for mitigation during a pandemic and were again stifled from the top. Trump didn’t even free up the funds for them to do this by waiting until late March to declare a national emergency.

Then, instead of being allowed to serve their given purpose they are silenced, contradicted, and blackballed by Trump and his appointees for the sake of perception.

Then, after it’s already way too late, all of the normal duties of the CDC are unwillingly delegated to the states who are unequipped and unprepared to fulfill the CDC’s duties.

What should be the consequences? If it were up to me, heads would roll immediately. In reality, I’m sure some after-action commission will be formed and report will come out 2-3 years from now point out exactly how inept everyone in leadership was, how they’ll make a plan to “fix it”, and nothing will really happen.
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Got a link for the bolded; particularly the first one?

From what I recall CDC internal decisions botched the early development of test (wanting to control it completely) and the speed of testing results (wanted all samples to be sent to them for testing). I don't recall any claims that CDC had it all ready and were held back by WH/HHS.
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe, but when .idiots en masse don't use helmets and seatbelts because they aren't required, then we pay for it in insurance rates, higher hospital costs because they have to admit and care for .idiots regardless, and taxes to support the non insured. Without the goons who believe medical care is a right and they can shove the cost of care for the ones who can't/won't be responsible, we might be more in agreement; but at this point, we can't be decoupled from everybody else. I can't figure out how we could even get rid of Obamacare - like putting toothpaste back in the tube - damn socialists broke the system.
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You can blame lawyers and the .gov for that. Insurers should be able to have helmet and seat-belt clauses in their policies and people not wanting to use them could by riders to their policies. AND healthcare providers should be allowed to turn away patients that can't pay.
 
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volinbham said:
Got a link for the bolded; particularly the first one?

From what I recall CDC internal decisions botched the early development of test (wanting to control it completely) and the speed of testing results (wanted all samples to be sent to them for testing). I don't recall any claims that CDC had it all ready and were held back by WH/HHS.
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I recall something like that. Maybe something about having the tests made in america too.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, first, the CDC has capabilities, guidelines, standards, and protocols regarding screening and tracing. Leadership at HHS and the WH refused to deploy them in this manner when it mattered.

Then, the CDC started to deploy their standard procedures for mitigation during a pandemic and were again stifled from the top. Trump didn’t even free up the funds for them to do this by waiting until late March to declare a national emergency.

Then, instead of being allowed to serve their given purpose they are silenced, contradicted, and blackballed by Trump and his appointees for the sake of perception.

Then, after it’s already way too late, all of the normal duties of the CDC are unwillingly delegated to the states who are unequipped and unprepared to fulfill the CDC’s duties.

What should be the consequences? If it were up to me, heads would roll immediately. In reality, I’m sure some after-action commission will be formed and a report will come out 2-3 years from now pointing out exactly how inept everyone in leadership was, how they’ll make a plan to “fix it”, and nothing will really happen.
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You have proof of all your claims, I gather?

Nevertheless, why has the CDC not publicly protested if what you claim is so? Weren't peoples' lives at stake? Certainly many in the CDC would have and should have come forward, no matter the professional consequences, one would think? If they did, I must have missed all of them, and that's entirely possible.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
But he was following Fauci and the science. They were stating the same thing?
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Trump's interviews with Woodward make it very clear that he was well aware of how "deadly" the Coronavirus was... and I put the word deadly in quotes because Trump specifically uses that word to describe the virus. Trump was downplaying the threat throughout February and early March. There is no way to listen to those audio recordings and deny that.

"You just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. And so that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. It's also more deadly than even your strenuous flu. This is deadly stuff." Donald Trump, speaking to Bob Woodward on February 7th.

However, Donald Trump did compare the seasonal flu to the Coronavirus in late March, during a Fox News town hall in the Rose Garden with Bill Hemmer. Trump noted that the economy was not shut down for the seasonal flu. "But we've never closed down the country for the flu. So you say to yourself, 'What is this all about?'" Trump was being very disingenuous here. His interviews with Woodward make it clear that he knew the Coronavirus was more deadly.

The timeline does not look good for Trump. He was comparing the Coronavirus to the seasonal flu well into March, even though he was on an audio recording telling Woodward in early February that the Coronavirus was much more deadly.

Like I said... you have spin control. Trump's own words don't look good. He did downplay the virus.
 
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