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OHvol40 said:
I know the old tired conservative line, I don’t need it recited. If public health is state responsibility then what does is the purpose of the CDC, NIH, and HHS (all of which are much better funded than any state DOH)?
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They are broad based agencies to assist the day to day public health.

NIH is a research organization. It has literally nothing to do with pandemic response.

HHS is a much broader based organization that has a role.

CDC is the key Federal player here and I already said they did a poor job.

Each state has it's own HC system/organization and responsibility. They have their own response plans and preparation. The Feds advise.

It's not an old conservative line; it's reality. Sorry you are blind to it.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yeah, the operative word being in the end. It was a real circus for a couple of months with no national leadership as to supply chain management. Of course, Trump doesn't have those type of managerial skills. Something you can't learn being a real estate dealer. Kind of shoots down the silly notion that being in business for yourself qualifies you to manage a multi-level organization.
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Well run cities and states didn't have issues, only the poorly managed did. That isn't on the Fed since the states are NOT managed by them.
 
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volinbham said:
Why didn't we have such a system prior to Trump? They actually moved pretty quickly to put one in place and I don't think anyone can dispute the qualifications of the Logistics team put in charge.
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don't know why there wasn't a national supply chain management team in place before. Maybe because we haven't seen a pandemic like this in our lifetimes?
 
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hog88 said:
Well run cities and states didn't have issues, only the poorly managed did. That isn't on the Fed since the states are NOT managed by them.
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BS. Almost everyone had issues with getting PPE for a couple of months. Yes, in this kind of crisis, it most certainly is on the FED for not providing national leadership.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
don't know why there wasn't a national supply chain management team in place before. Maybe because we haven't seen a pandemic like this in our lifetimes?
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in that case, we actually moved quickly and put a high quality team in place.

Federally the 2 biggest failures were:

1. CDC was not only completely unprepared for testing; they tried to control everything early on demanding all testing flow through them. They were the single biggest failure point in the response.
2. Messaging was inconsistent from Trump and overall (CDC, Surgeon General, etc.)

Biggest successes were:

1. Mobilization of supply chain management
2. Immediate relaxation of barrier regulations to allow actions to occur more quickly
3. Immediate incentivization of the private sector to produce equipment, supplies and treatments
4. Preproduction of promising vaccines so immediate deployment is ready
5. Relieve packages

Across the board some things could have been done better/some could have been done worse.

Most missteps from Fed to local are due to the absolute novelty of the situation.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yeah, the operative word being in the end. It was a real circus for a couple of months with no national leadership as to supply chain management. Of course, Trump doesn't have those type of managerial skills. Something you can't learn being a real estate dealer. Kind of shoots down the silly notion that being in business for yourself qualifies you to manage a multi-level organization.
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Didn’t he get that stuff together really quickly?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Your immune system uses the vitamin D that is created by exposing yourself to sunlight for building your immune system and making it stronger... Yay science!!!
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So vitamin D provides the same protection from Coronavirus as sunlight? Skip the sunlight and drink Milk then.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I was talking about supply chain management for this particular pandemic. Someone in the administration should have been appointed to assist in directing the suppliers of when and where to ship

Of course, we all know Trump said it wasn't a big deal at that time
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Uhhh you really think that would sell at all? To anyone?

Oh my God Trump is favoring state X!!!! That homophobic, xenophobic bigot!!!!

I can hear the rreeee from here
 
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#76,748
USAFgolferVol said:
don't know why there wasn't a national supply chain management team in place before. Maybe because we haven't seen a pandemic like this in our lifetimes?
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Because we arent communist? Why would we want a government operated supply chain?

Again think of the DMV, but on a national scale.

What interaction with the government has ever left you thinking " you know I wish there were three more levels of buearacts to screw me over before I resolved this simple issue"?
 
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Even when the Feds designed a system, states and locals ignored it or didn't pay attention and kept trying to do the logistics themselves. IOW, part of the delay was states and locals NOT using the Fed system that had been put in place.
 
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