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MontyPython said:
NYT:

"Trump defended his handling of the coronavirus pandemic during an interview with Fox News over the weekend, arguing that he took “tremendous steps” early in the outbreak, which “saved probably two or two and a half million lives.”

But the rest of the world does not appear to share in the conclusions of his self-appraisal. In a new poll of 13 nations released Tuesday, a median of 15 percent of respondents said the United States had handled the pandemic well, while 85 percent said the country had responded poorly.

The data, released by Pew Research Center, suggests that the international reputation of the United States has dropped to a new low in the face of a disorganized response to the novel coronavirus that saw the country come to lead the world in virus-related deaths.
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We could have handled it like China. Look at their results.
 
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hog88 said:
That's a good example, one that can be laid at the feet of his and all of his predecessors administrations.
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I was talking about supply chain management for this particular pandemic. Someone in the administration should have been appointed to assist in directing the suppliers of when and where to ship

Of course, we all know Trump said it wasn't a big deal at that time
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I was talking about supply chain management for this particular pandemic. Someone in the administration should have been appointed to assist in directing the suppliers of when and where to ship

Of course, we all know Trump said it wasn't a big deal at that time
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Yet in the end, very few places had any shortage of supplies.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I was talking about supply chain management for this particular pandemic. Someone in the administration should have been appointed to assist in directing the suppliers of when and where to ship

Of course, we all know Trump said it wasn't a big deal at that time
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That’s been an issue for every president since at least the 90’s
 
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@RockyTop85
Had to get some work done. Anyway....

My point is that there is a bad inference between the quotes. Biden says something, but because you/media like him, then he actually meant something positive, even though the actually quote could cause harm. Trump says something, and in fact DIDN’T say drink bleach, but because you/media don’t like him, it’s amplified into something extremely negative and even potentially physically harmful.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, generally I agree with you. Most here do not, though. That’s what I’m getting at, if he did terribly (as is so often claimed), then what could he have done differently? A lot of folks here use hyperbolic speech with little substance behind it.
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Used the resources given to him after he publically campaigned for the support.

Actually worked with Trump. It seems like both sides at different points were "willing" to work with the other. But by the time either had agreed to something the other was changing their mind. Again cooperation is a two way street.

And this is way after the fact and not related to causing deaths, but dont write a freaking book on it. That's Trump levels of tone deaf. Again not specific to his management of Covid but more directly to his qualities as a leader.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I know the old tired conservative line, I don’t need it recited. If public health is state responsibility then what does is the purpose of the CDC, NIH, and HHS (all of which are much better funded than any state DOH)?
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Not familiar with the government are you? Duplication, wasted money, bureaucratic waste and inefficiency are their bywords.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I personally haven’t trashed DeSanto or Kemp (on this issue, anyway) nor have I praised Cuomo. You won’t see me really doing that either mainly for two reasons.
1. I think governors, in general, were hung out to dry in this pandemic.
2. I didn’t have an opportunity to vote for/against any of these people and I don’t anticipate having that opportunity next election.
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How were governors hung out to dry in comparison with the federal government?

The ones that failed the worst were the ones that panicked and put people with Covid back into nursing homes. That isn't an existential problem hanging you out to dry. That's making an awful decision that any sane person could have told you was awful at the time.

There was no policy at any level that was going to save all lives. In that sense, all levels of our government were hung out to dry. Doesn't mean you can't point out people who took bad situations and made them catastrophically bad.
 
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MontyPython said:
NYT:

"Trump defended his handling of the coronavirus pandemic during an interview with Fox News over the weekend, arguing that he took “tremendous steps” early in the outbreak, which “saved probably two or two and a half million lives.”

But the rest of the world does not appear to share in the conclusions of his self-appraisal. In a new poll of 13 nations released Tuesday, a median of 15 percent of respondents said the United States had handled the pandemic well, while 85 percent said the country had responded poorly.

The data, released by Pew Research Center, suggests that the international reputation of the United States has dropped to a new low in the face of a disorganized response to the novel coronavirus that saw the country come to lead the world in virus-related deaths.
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I've never understood these polls. Like do they poll Americans asking what we think of the job performance of the German or French leaders? Why should they care? Why should we?

tHe wOrLd tHiNkS YoU'Re dOiNg a bAd jOb. Cool.
 
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hog88 said:
Yet in the end, very few places had any shortage of supplies.
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Yeah, the operative word being in the end. It was a real circus for a couple of months with no national leadership as to supply chain management. Of course, Trump doesn't have those type of managerial skills. Something you can't learn being a real estate dealer. Kind of shoots down the silly notion that being in business for yourself qualifies you to manage a multi-level organization.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I've never understood these polls. Like do they poll Americans asking what we think of the job performance of the German or French leaders? Why should they care? Why should we?

tHe wOrLd tHiNkS YoU'Re dOiNg a bAd jOb. Cool.
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I often am troubled by what the Germans think of me when Im going about my life.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yeah, the operative word being in the end. It was a real circus for a couple of months with no national leadership as to supply chain management. Of course, Trump doesn't have those type of managerial skills. Something you can't learn being a real estate dealer. Kind of shoots down the silly notion that being in business for yourself qualifies you to manage a multi-level organization.
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No doubt being a community organizer would be better because they really know how to organize and stuff.
 
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