Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Rickyvol77]

Do you really not grasp the irony of Trump calling the former administration "incompetent" for allowing a disease into the U.S. or him chastising the CDC and administration officials for not being forthcoming with the public as to the ease of transmission of the disease? There is really a tweet for every occasion.

I mean.... I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

I don't care what Trump or Obama said about it...you were trying to "whatabout" a tweet which Trump correctly was pointing out the very real danger of Ebola, which is tons more deadlier than COVID ever thought about being

 

[Rickyvol77]

I work in one so I have first hand knowledge of what goes on inside them.

Some people don't understand CMS guidelines and that hospitals can't just house elderly people who are sick indefinitely

 

[volbeast33]

Some people don't understand CMS guidelines and that hospitals can't just house elderly people who are sick indefinitely

Plus if I had to guess those people that were sent to the hospital had recovered and were sent back.... staff brought it from outside the building but the blame fell on the returning patients

 

[volinbham]

Yep they definitely should have used different avenues to try to secure the residents but once they fail to meet hospital requirements they are still being sent out...... I work in a Nursing home and we had set up a centralized nursing home to send residents too but we in it is full we keep them in house and are trying to seal off part of a floor for covid patients..... if I had to guess the huge infection in nursing homes there probably came from employees instead of residents sent back to nursing homes.

In NY it was both I think. Verified cases were not even admitted to hospitals by mandate - they had to stay in the NHs. Likewise, testing wasn't in place so it's pretty certain that employees brought it in too. Now you have both infected residents and employees interacting with each other. No surprise it spread so fast.

Speaking of Cuomo and leadership

New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy

 

[volfanhill]

WSJ News Exclusive | Covid-19 Test Maker Examines False-Positive Results in Nursing Homes

 

[newyorkvol]

In NY it was both I think. Verified cases were not even admitted to hospitals by mandate - they had to stay in the NHs. Likewise, testing wasn't in place so it's pretty certain that employees brought it in too. Now you have both infected residents and employees interacting with each other. No surprise it spread so fast.

Speaking of Cuomo and leadership

New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy

There’s definitely a component of both. I have family that works in nursing home and know for sure they were asked to take “recovering” patients that had not yet tested negative or who were still under 10 days without symptoms.

My favorite part is how NY leadership gets a pass on deaths, but not the federal leadership. From Health Commissioner Dr Zucker:

“There is no reason to place blame on anyone.
If you were to place blame, I would blame coronavirus,” Zucker said.

 

[OHvol40]

It’s more what he shouldn’t have done

Not sending known infected people back into nursing homes would have been a good start.

More globally, if you keep using total deaths in US as an indicator that Trump did a terrible job then you can't ignore that NY's death toll is far worse than any other state. Not even close.

The 2 errors I saw was the way nursing homes were set up to fail although there is not a real good alternative to that..... and shutting down part of the subway system forcing essential workers crammed in like sardines....... it s a easily spreadable disease so there is a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on.

So far we’ve got:
-Something pretty vague about nursing homes, which is absolutely a concern, but no good alternatives presented. Did other states handle it differently with better results?
- Cuomo did a bad job because the death toll was high. Well, the death toll WAS/IS high, but that doesn’t answer my question.
- Concerns about public transportation. Also legit concerns, but a catch 22. Do we limit the number of people exposed by limiting subway traffic or do we facilitate essential worker transportation? Not an easy call. Hindsight is useful in this case for future reference.


I’m not hearing a lot of wonderful, big picture alternatives to Cuomo’s actions for all the people that are really quick to throw him under the bus.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Not lie about needing millions of ventilators when his people were hiding thousands that they didn't use?
Work faster at securing Nursing home populations?

what are your recommendations for donald. If we subtract the New York deaths, there are still 160K+ deaths that has happened on his watch. That is 160K+ more than Ebola and Benghazi combined. 148K more than H1N1 flu strain......and that is just in 6 months....160K + people won themselves to death....literally.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Nah. A lot of comorbidity has killed nearly 200k, it's disingenuous to blame the match when you've soaked your house in gasoline.

Has anyone seen statistics on how many people without underlying conditions have succumbed to covid?

Again as I explained in prior texts , Covid has killed nearly 200k. We are all going to die of some condition. If Covid takes your life prematurely then it is correctly classified as a
Covid death.

 

[Rickyvol77]

what are your recommendations for donald. If we subtract the New York deaths, there are still 160K+ deaths that has happened on his watch. That is 160K+ more than Ebola and Benghazi combined. 148K more than H1N1 flu strain......and that is just in 6 months....

Donald doesn't control state and city governments which are in charge of those actual things.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Again as I explained in prior texts , Covid has killed nearly 200k. We are all going to die of some condition. If Covid takes your life prematurely then it is correctly classified as a
Covid death.

no it hasn't....I have seen the actual medical reports of other areas where GSWs, Stage 4 colon cancer, Heart attack patients were being classified as COVID deaths, when they werent.

There were also so many false positives and misinformation overall early on, there is no way the number is that high

 

[utvolpj]

what are your recommendations for donald. If we subtract the New York deaths, there are still 160K+ deaths that has happened on his watch. That is 160K+ more than Ebola and Benghazi combined. 148K more than H1N1 flu strain......and that is just in 6 months....160K + people won themselves to death....literally.

Why are you putting it on the potus? If someone contacted the virus last month is it really because of the potus actions in March?

This is on elected officials at the state and local levels. They need to protect what we've now identified as the most vulnerable

 

[OHvol40]

Not lie about needing millions of ventilators when his people were hiding thousands that they didn't use?
Work faster at securing Nursing home populations?

- Don’t prepare for bad scenarios by advocating for your citizens.

- Still not sure exactly what we’re getting at with the nursing home scenario, but it seems to be a go-to.

 

[newyorkvol]

So far we’ve got:
-Something pretty vague about nursing homes, which is absolutely a concern, but no good alternatives presented. Did other states handle it differently with better results?
- Cuomo did a bad job because the death toll was high. Well, the death toll WAS/IS high, but that doesn’t answer my question.
- Concerns about public transportation. Also legit concerns, but a catch 22. Do we limit the number of people exposed by limiting subway traffic or do we facilitate essential worker transportation? Not an easy call. Hindsight is useful in this case for future reference.


I’m not hearing a lot of wonderful, big picture alternatives to Cuomo’s actions for all the people that are really quick to throw him under the bus.

again, most of this is not so much what Cuomo did wrong. But why is he held in such high esteem by media when DeSantis and Florida are not.

As far as nursing homes, Florida stopped sending any COVID patients to nursing homes on March 22.

 

[Rifleman]

 

[volfanhill]

Army COVID-19 vaccine may produce a side benefit: Cure for the common cold

 

[volbeast33]

In NY it was both I think. Verified cases were not even admitted to hospitals by mandate - they had to stay in the NHs. Likewise, testing wasn't in place so it's pretty certain that employees brought it in too. Now you have both infected residents and employees interacting with each other. No surprise it spread so fast.

Speaking of Cuomo and leadership

New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy

Here is why I have a hard time blaming cuomo....every single person/ employee or resident is tested weekly.... we check in every day.... temp /symptoms.... I got sent home to be rechecked once due to allergies.... we wear masks all day long/residents are not allowed out in the hall without a mask on....any new admission has to have two negative tests and is quarantined for 14 days.... we had an employee test negative.... 3 days later had to be retested by her doctor due to a procedure..... she tested positive..... they retested everyone in the building and in a week and a half we were up to close to 40 positive residents..... Luckily, the strand we have where I work seems to be fairly week with no one getting seriously sick at this time....most symptoms have been less than a real mild cold or allergies.

 

[OHvol40]

again, most of this is not so much what Cuomo did wrong. But why is he held in such high esteem by media when DeSantis and Florida are not.

As far as nursing homes, Florida stopped sending any COVID patients to nursing homes on March 22.

Well, generally I agree with you. Most here do not, though. That’s what I’m getting at, if he did terribly (as is so often claimed), then what could he have done differently? A lot of folks here use hyperbolic speech with little substance behind it.

 

[volinbham]

Here is why I have a hard time blaming cuomo....every single person/ employee or resident is tested weekly.... we check in every day.... temp /symptoms.... I got sent home to be rechecked once due to allergies.... we wear masks all day long/residents are not allowed out in the hall without a mask on....any new admission has to have two negative tests and is quarantined for 14 days.... we had an employee test negative.... 3 days later had to be retested by her doctor due to a procedure..... she tested positive..... they retested everyone in the building and in a week and a half we were up to close to 40 positive residents..... Luckily, the strand we have where I work seems to be fairly week with no one getting seriously sick at this time....most symptoms have been less than a real mild cold or allergies.

1. That level of testing was not being done by NY.
2. They mandated (maybe only NJ and other state did) that known Covid positive patients be returned to nursing homes rather than quarantined outside the NHs.

more

AP count: Over 4,500 virus patients sent to NY nursing homes

 

[volinbham]

Well, generally I agree with you. Most here do not, though. That’s what I’m getting at, if he did terribly (as is so often claimed), then what could he have done differently? A lot of folks here use hyperbolic speech with little substance behind it.

To clarify my position. He didn't do terribly but his performance on almost all metrics is worse that virtually every other governor. Rather than acknowledge this, he touts his great leadership and is putting out a book talking about how great he did. In addition, many on the left have claimed DeSantos, Kemp, etc did terrible jobs but again on almost any metric they did BETTER than Cuomo.

Finally, you and others have used hyperbolic speech to trash Trump's handling then give Cuomo a pass. Hardly an objective analysis

 

[volfanhill]

Well, generally I agree with you. Most here do not, though. That’s what I’m getting at, if he did terribly (as is so often claimed), then what could he have done differently? A lot of folks here use hyperbolic speech with little substance behind it.

This isn’t difficult. Don’t quarantine people who have/suspected to have COVID in nursing homes.

 

[newyorkvol]

Well, generally I agree with you. Most here do not, though. That’s what I’m getting at, if he did terribly (as is so often claimed), then what could he have done differently? A lot of folks here use hyperbolic speech with little substance behind it.

And I think my biggest issue is everyone trying to “Monday Morning Quarterback” the whole situation. There is plenty to learn from the US response in general, but the blame lies with the virus. Unfortunately, most don’t want to learn from the mistakes made, they want to cast blame to score political points to gain power and status.

 

[OHvol40]

To clarify my position. He didn't do terribly but his performance on almost all metrics is worse that virtually every other governor. Rather than acknowledge this, he touts his great leadership and is putting out a book talking about how great he did. In addition, many on the left have claimed DeSantos, Kemp, etc did terrible jobs but again on almost any metric they did BETTER than Cuomo.

Finally, you and others have used hyperbolic speech to trash Trump's handling then give Cuomo a pass. Hardly an objective analysis

I personally haven’t trashed DeSanto or Kemp (on this issue, anyway) nor have I praised Cuomo. You won’t see me really doing that either mainly for two reasons.
1. I think governors, in general, were hung out to dry in this pandemic.
2. I didn’t have an opportunity to vote for/against any of these people and I don’t anticipate having that opportunity next election.

 

[hog88]

I personally haven’t trashed DeSanto or Kemp (on this issue, anyway) nor have I praised Cuomo. You won’t see me really doing that either mainly for two reasons.
1. I think governors, in general, were hung out to dry in this pandemic.
2. I didn’t have an opportunity to vote for/against any of these people and I don’t anticipate having that opportunity next election.

How so?

 

[1972 Grad]

How so?

Jussie's Nigerian homeboys had nooses around the necks of the Governors, so they were hung out to dry.