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I don't know for sure - I think so, but she doesn't think much of my medical "experience", so we haven't had a very good discussion about it all. This is where that old Venus and Mars philosophy thing kicks in - apparently men (particularly husbands) are intended to listen and not give advice - and understand without asking for clarification. After almost fifty years of marriage I still struggle with that and keeping quiet.

She has admitted over the years to balance becoming an issue, and I can say it's true for me, too. I think it's probably a combination of age related muscle tone, reflexes, and less accurate sensing (middle ear?) - too much tilt and too little ability to respond once the brain figures it out. In this particular case it could simply be more muscle weakness and fatigue due to covid than neurological issues; however, that alone doesn't address all of the cognitive issues and sometimes extreme irritability - those may still just be fatigue - so difficult to tell when things are so interrelated.
Plus she is a Nurse, I take it a strong willed one. Everyone once in a while I still need lilreb to put the whoa on me. I'm strong willed but I'll listen.
Covid left me lacking in my regular energy for a month. I still had shortness of breath at times for 2 months. I took a great deal of vitamins to get through that.
I hope this resolves for both your sakes.
 
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Plus she is a Nurse, I take it a strong willed one. Everyone once in a while I still need lilreb to put the whoa on me. I'm strong willed but I'll listen.
Covid left me lacking in my regular energy for a month. I still had shortness of breath at times for 2 months. I took a great deal of vitamins to get through that.
I hope this resolves for both your sakes.

Thanks. And very strong willed. I always thought that engineer and nurse would be a pretty good combination - a good relationship needs to be intellectual, too. I've found that at many levels the medical profession has things thought out and acting quickly to a set of guidelines is key. In my profession it's different. We tend to wind up responding to non repeating issues - or issues that may have similar initiators but work differently, so you have to treat each as a new thing and do the analysis before acting. In fact, in the nuclear world the rule is that if something isn't going as you expect during any kind of testing, you stop and figure it out before continuing. To somebody who is built around rapid response I think it makes you look like a bumbler - somewhat incompetent or slow witted. Something like clean up the damn water running across the floor rather than - hmm interesting spread pattern, what are the consequences, how did that happen, etc - oh probably need to mop it up.
 
Thanks. And very strong willed. I always thought that engineer and nurse would be a pretty good combination - a good relationship needs to be intellectual, too. I've found that at many levels the medical profession has things thought out and acting quickly to a set of guidelines is key. In my profession it's different. We tend to wind up responding to non repeating issues - or issues that may have similar initiators but work differently, so you have to treat each as a new thing and do the analysis before acting. In fact, in the nuclear world the rule is that if something isn't going as you expect during any kind of testing, you stop and figure it out before continuing. To somebody who is built around rapid response I think it makes you look like a bumbler - somewhat incompetent or slow witted. Something like clean up the damn water running across the floor rather than - hmm interesting spread pattern, what are the consequences, how did that happen, etc - oh probably need to mop it up.
Yes, I understand all of that. Lilreb is an analyzer I'm rapid response. I know I drive him crazy. If you want a system error analyzed, revamped and repaired, he's your guy.
I tend to do things rapidly and jump 5 steps ahead. Like I said, I probably drive him crazy.
 
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It’s a worldwide effort to get T out of office!!
Doesn't really have to be that. The virus is real. EVERYTHING that has happened since it got here has been a political media narrative. That narrative has cost lives and handcuffed decision makers. Recently a "mainstream" wire service article concerning Dr Atlas called herd immunity a "controversial theory". Herd immunity as a defense against viruses is established scientific FACT. The whole premise of vaccines is to artificially introduce herd immunity without illness.

The mass shutdowns we did... are not science. There was ZERO scientific support behind them. Yet that was what we supposedly "had" to do. I'm still waiting on a real scientific proof that non-symptomatic people spread the virus in a significant way AND that masks keep them from doing so if they do. I've seen the stuff they've thrown out there. None of it had to do with non-symptomatic carriers or even Covid-19. They were studies of symptomatic people with the flu and other viruses.

The virus is real. We should have protected the vulnerable then found EFFECTIVE and scientifically proven ways to mitigate the spread. We didn't do that. Instead we told New Yorkers to shelter in place... in their 40 unit apartment buildings... with shared HVAC... which spread the virus to every home.

It may not have been started to target Trump but it has been used that way since February. For their part, FNC and a few others have tried to pin it on China and the Dems by extension. If this were not an election year... MAYBE this would have been handled like a medical problem and MAYBE people would have been alive who aren't.


A lot of people pre-judged and condemned Sweden. Other than not effectively protecting their nursing homes... their strategy appears to be paying dividends now. People who suggested we do it here on a national level were crucified by the media. States that did it... have weathered the virus at least as well as those with more crazed overreactions.
 
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Yesterday I posted that I wondered if a small uptake of covid could possibly result in a limited illness or did it multiply in the body until it reached some critical mass to infect the victim - like perhaps a limited dose was used as a means to fight smallpox. Tonight I was sitting and scanning headlines on my phone after watching a movie - seems like my dumb question was actually being seriously studied in the medical research community.

Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest

Turns out "variolation" is a term initiated before a true smallpox vaccine - the concept was to introduce small doses of smallpox as a means to immunize the patient. If the hypothesis proves true, it answers some questions asked here such as why some people are asymptomatic (weak dose). Wouldn't matter if my mask limits my exhaust and therefore your intake, or my my mask limits my intake regardless of your exhaust, or both. The researchers would seem to face a new problem, though; there's a ton of positive/negative test data, but likely no correlation to severity, and probably little test data regarding antibodies in recovered patients - particularly those who may never have had symptoms.

Regardless, should any of you run into me, I'll be wearing a mask ... and enjoying the opportunity to walk into a bank wearing a mask and ask for money.
 
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Doesn't really have to be that. The virus is real. EVERYTHING that has happened since it got here has been a political media narrative. That narrative has cost lives and handcuffed decision makers. Recently a "mainstream" wire service article concerning Dr Atlas called herd immunity a "controversial theory". Herd immunity as a defense against viruses is established scientific FACT. The whole premise of vaccines is to artificially introduce herd immunity without illness.

The mass shutdowns we did... are not science. There was ZERO scientific support behind them. Yet that was what we supposedly "had" to do. I'm still waiting on a real scientific proof that non-symptomatic people spread the virus in a significant way AND that masks keep them from doing so if they do. I've seen the stuff they've thrown out there. None of it had to do with non-symptomatic carriers or even Covid-19. They were studies of symptomatic people with the flu and other viruses.

The virus is real. We should have protected the vulnerable then found EFFECTIVE and scientifically proven ways to mitigate the spread. We didn't do that. Instead we told New Yorkers to shelter in place... in their 40 unit apartment buildings... with shared HVAC... which spread the virus to every home.

It may not have been started to target Trump but it has been used that way since February. For their part, FNC and a few others have tried to pin it on China and the Dems by extension. If this were not an election year... MAYBE this would have been handled like a medical problem and MAYBE people would have been alive who aren't.


A lot of people pre-judged and condemned Sweden. Other than not effectively protecting their nursing homes... their strategy appears to be paying dividends now. People who suggested we do it here on a national level were crucified by the media. States that did it... have weathered the virus at least as well as those with more crazed overreactions.

You are jumping all over the place with his message.
We can agree on the virus is real.

Protective measures such as masks, if used properly, definitively do work. These mouth breathers with the masks protecting their chin is not effective.

My close family member has walked into lots of of covid positive rooms and had some of those patients die. They were masked up and never had any symptoms or positive tests.

Drumpf is criticized for sitting on his hands and refusing to lead. Not the virus itself.

Shelter in place didn't work? Look at tourist areas, as soon as they opened up to tourists their positive numbers exploded. You can't put numbers on crimes that guns deter or the amount of positive test shelter in place prevented.
 
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Protective measures such as masks, if used properly, definitively do work. These mouth breathers with the masks protecting their chin is not effective.
Really? Cite your proof. And you can't use anecdotes because there are about as many places that saw case counts go up after mask mandates as saw them go down. I've seen the articles and if you take the time to follow the references back to the actual "studies" then you invariably see studies of masks on viruses other than Covid-19 and situations other than non-symptomatic spreaders. We have heard conjecture for a long time that non-symptomatic people spread the virus and at least some at a high degree of contagiousness. The only proof anyone has pointed me to points to three anecdotes from around the world with one being purely circumstantial and another now repudiated.

My close family member has walked into lots of of covid positive rooms and had some of those patients die. They were masked up and never had any symptoms or positive tests.
And 80% of the people on the Diamond Princess in close contact with both symptomatic and asymptomatic people for a couple of weeks... never had symptoms or contracted the virus. A significant percentage of the population has natural immunity or immunity acquired by contact with a different Coronavirus.

BTW, that's not the reason we've been given for wearing masks or why people are at each other's throats. The justification is that it prevents spread to others. You have to ask yourself what magic occurs between inhale and exhale that will not prevent you from being infected but will protect others from being infected by you. My suspicion is that they knew that people would get sick even if they wore masks and once that started happening people would stop listening or wearing them. You may think that's a good tactic... but our "officials" do NOT have the right to lie to us.

Drumpf is criticized for sitting on his hands and refusing to lead. Not the virus itself.
Hardly. Trump's biggest failures have been listening to people like Fauci and letting the media box him in. And you would be wise not to listen to the left wing media in the midst of an election.

The biggest failures here have been in the national health offices. There was a choice. Spend resources on protecting the vulnerable and educating the public or doing the wholly unscientific things that have been done. Again, Trump's failure has been in listening to people who gave horrible advice.

A rapid result test has been available for weeks. I posted an article by a Harvard researcher who said that the virus could be defeated in 3 weeks using it. It enables someone to self-test and isolate themselves BEFORE they become contagious. But it was never deployed. There is no FDA "pathway" to approve it... and apparently our top health officials didn't think it was as good of an option as waiting on expensive vaccines.

Technology exists and is readily available for purifying HVAC recycled air. It kills the virus before it can make anyone ill. Bet you didn't know that, did you? That is a FAR more effective answer than masks which even if as effective as the studies that are pointed to... are only about 60% effective if worn correctly.

Shelter in place didn't work? Look at tourist areas, as soon as they opened up to tourists their positive numbers exploded. You can't put numbers on crimes that guns deter or the amount of positive test shelter in place prevented.
No. Shelter in place did NOT work. What exploded was testing. NYC is the BEST test case for "shelter in place". It failed... and failed badly.

Since we came out of that ridiculous strategy "positives" have gone up but severe cases and deaths have come down. Testing was limited to those with symptoms early on. Studies were conducted months ago showing that FAR more people were getting the virus with mild or no symptoms than were being confirmed. A Stanford study of a CA county showed 50:1 or more. A Colorado rural county showed a 14:1 ratio of cases to confirmed cases. Even now, CDC has but is not releasing data on how many cases are very mild or non-symptomatic. When they produced their first IFR estimate, they assumed at least 10 times more cases than those confirmed by testing after the media had told us for months that the virus was 10 times more deadly than CDC's scientific estimate showed it to be.
 
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Doesn't really have to be that. The virus is real. EVERYTHING that has happened since it got here has been a political media narrative. That narrative has cost lives and handcuffed decision makers. Recently a "mainstream" wire service article concerning Dr Atlas called herd immunity a "controversial theory". Herd immunity as a defense against viruses is established scientific FACT. The whole premise of vaccines is to artificially introduce herd immunity without illness.

The mass shutdowns we did... are not science. There was ZERO scientific support behind them. Yet that was what we supposedly "had" to do. I'm still waiting on a real scientific proof that non-symptomatic people spread the virus in a significant way AND that masks keep them from doing so if they do. I've seen the stuff they've thrown out there. None of it had to do with non-symptomatic carriers or even Covid-19. They were studies of symptomatic people with the flu and other viruses.

The virus is real. We should have protected the vulnerable then found EFFECTIVE and scientifically proven ways to mitigate the spread. We didn't do that. Instead we told New Yorkers to shelter in place... in their 40 unit apartment buildings... with shared HVAC... which spread the virus to every home.

It may not have been started to target Trump but it has been used that way since February. For their part, FNC and a few others have tried to pin it on China and the Dems by extension. If this were not an election year... MAYBE this would have been handled like a medical problem and MAYBE people would have been alive who aren't.


A lot of people pre-judged and condemned Sweden. Other than not effectively protecting their nursing homes... their strategy appears to be paying dividends now. People who suggested we do it here on a national level were crucified by the media. States that did it... have weathered the virus at least as well as those with more crazed overreactions.
I think Trump has been his own worst enemy with lack of a clear message.

To me there's two basic effective strategies: Senegal or Sweden. I think we could have either done nothing (but demand we protect senior care facilities) or we could have encouraged the Governors to push mask mandates (but not shut down).

At various times Trump has said

It's 5x worse than the flu

It'll disappear

Chastised mask wearing

Call masks wearing Patriotic

Talked down shut-downs

Chastised Ga Gov for not having a longer shut down

Put together a task force and had daily briefings

Discredited his task force

Look, I know the US is different in the fact the have 50 governors to run their individual states, but he's got to have some infulence as the leader of the free world, right?

I think Biden's a boob and I still think there's a 50/50 chance Trump gets reelected but he's had a string of self inflicted wounds throughout the pandemic. Just pick a plan (even if that plan is nothing) and be honest and consistent.
 
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