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DancingOutlaw said:
Curious as to what you estimate the death toll would be under a "competent administration"?
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My crystal ball is in the shop, but with a rational well thought out response, it would not have been 190K. Wearing a mask and doing common sense things have become political and a sign of perceived strength. I can say that a lot of people around my area are starting to wear mask. Still a few deniers that refuse to. But that is a step in the right direction. Still a lot of unnecessary death.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
My crystal ball is in the shop, but with a rational well thought out response, it would not have been 190K. Wearing a mask and doing common sense things have become political and a sign of perceived strength. I can say that a lot of people around my area are starting to wear mask. Still a few deniers that refuse to. But that is a step in the right direction. Still a lot of unnecessary death.
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Thanks for the well thought out scientific response there.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
so it is the fault of the press now? The press was reporting what was happening around the world too. The virus is not going to act differently within the US as it acts in other countries. The problem is that the press was reporting what was going on and the government was saying something completely different....or lying to be more frank. Nonetheless, 190K people have died, not due to the panice but because the ineptitude of the this administration.
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They didnt report much on Sweden, or other places doing ok. They kept the focus on the worst. They kept the focus on what the president did and off of what the governors did. Cant imagine the reaction if Trumo had done what Cuomo did. They kept the focus on Trump when even Biden has to admit that mask mandates, which was the lowest bar, wouldnt be constitutional.

They kept changing their story. It's impossible not to see the partisan side of things. Trump says it's bad in Janurary. Dems and Media call him racist. Trump says it's taken care of in March and suddenly the Dems and media are saying it's the worst thing ever going to kill millions because of Trump. Dems and media call for vaccine before opening up and that we need it now, Trump says vaccines will be mandatory and suddenly the Dems and media are saying he shouldnt push unproven vaccines.

It's been politics this whole time.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
My crystal ball is in the shop, but with a rational well thought out response, it would not have been 190K. Wearing a mask and doing common sense things have become political and a sign of perceived strength. I can say that a lot of people around my area are starting to wear mask. Still a few deniers that refuse to. But that is a step in the right direction. Still a lot of unnecessary death.
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Sweden says lol.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
My crystal ball is in the shop, but with a rational well thought out response, it would not have been 190K. Wearing a mask and doing common sense things have become political and a sign of perceived strength. I can say that a lot of people around my area are starting to wear mask. Still a few deniers that refuse to. But that is a step in the right direction. Still a lot of unnecessary death.
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It wouldn't have been 190k. You know that for a certainty because of your rational thought process.
The question about how many would it have been is straightforward. So, how many? Is it possible to estimate using the same rational thought process?
 
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LouderVol said:
Sweden says lol.
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I think we would have to look at population densities for big cities and another density for rural areas in america. compare those to other countries with similar hygienic standards, access to healthcare, and similar population demographics to get a realistic comparison.

Canada kicked butt in terms of fatalities.
 
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McDad said:
It wouldn't have been 190k. You know that for a certainty because of your rational thought process.
The question about how many would it have been is straightforward. So, how many? Is it possible to estimate using the same rational thought process?
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I would bet my next paycheck on it. Science is science. There are steps that could have been taken to mitigate the infections and deaths.
 
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McDad said:
I think we would have to look at population densities for big cities and another density for rural areas in america. compare those to other countries with similar hygienic standards, access to healthcare, and similar population demographics to get a realistic comparison.

Canada kicked butt in terms of fatalities.
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I dont think a mask is going to make that difference up though. Basically everyone in sweden is already healthier than us and has "better healthcare". And I would think you could also look at how we have comoartively handled previous outbreaks. To say if the US flubbed Covid or not. It's possible that we did way worse than Sweden overall but actually better than we do conventionally. Basically without a baseline I dont think a comparison is helpful.

Personally I think more than anything it's the healthy citizen part that matters. As it would for any disease.
 
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McDad said:
I think we would have to look at population densities for big cities and another density for rural areas in america. compare those to other countries with similar hygienic standards, access to healthcare, and similar population demographics to get a realistic comparison.

Canada kicked butt in terms of fatalities.
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How did they compare to Montana or Wyoming? How many flights did they have coming and going from other countries? You can go on and on with the comparisons, but we are a separate country from everyone else and you can't compare the US to any other country.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I would bet my next paycheck on it. Science is science. There are steps that could have been taken to mitigate the infections and deaths.
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Take a look at the "half measures" we took and all the job losses from that. Now imagine if we went full blow socialist on this thing and really cut down more so on people and businesses.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
My crystal ball is in the shop, but with a rational well thought out response, it would not have been 190K. Wearing a mask and doing common sense things have become political and a sign of perceived strength. I can say that a lot of people around my area are starting to wear mask. Still a few deniers that refuse to. But that is a step in the right direction. Still a lot of unnecessary death.
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So funny how many of you leftists put all your faith in a mask that the packaging reads that it won't stop the spread of anything LOL

15 days to flatten the curve
Social distance/wash your hands
Shut the whole country down
Wear a mask

I'm scared to know whats next from you commie leftists
 
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LouderVol said:
I dont think a mask is going to make that difference up though. Basically everyone in sweden is already healthier than us and has "better healthcare". And I would think you could also look at how we have comoartively handled previous outbreaks. To say if the US flubbed Covid or not. It's possible that we did way worse than Sweden overall but actually better than we do conventionally. Basically without a baseline I dont think a comparison is helpful.

Personally I think more than anything it's the healthy citizen part that matters. As it would for any disease.
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It's been compared to flu outbreaks. I don't know what other disease we can use as a baseline if we're only doing an america to america comparison.
 
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VolStrom said:
How did they compare to Montana or Wyoming? How many flights did they have coming and going from other countries? You can go on and on with the comparisons, but we are a separate country from everyone else and you can't compare the US to any other country.
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Somewhat my point. I think you can make reasonable comparisons. I would be comfortable comparing Canada's rural area to our northen rural areas and Canada's metro areas to our northern cities..
 
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McDad said:
It's been compared to flu outbreaks. I don't know what other disease we can use as a baseline if we're only doing an america to america comparison.
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I was thinking America to Sweden. Or America to anywhere. Without a baseline I dont see how you can say we did better or worse.

To me I think the real tell will be the average after two or more years Issue is by the time we have that data no one will care anymore and everyone will refuse to do any real introspection.
 
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