Tennessee shuts practice down for Covid-19 reasons

[Brave Volunteer]

I just don't see how we are going to be able to complete the season. I want football to be played as bad as anyone. But, I just don't see how. I mean if you have a game on Saturday and you have 15 starters test positive. There is no way you are going to have a chance to win the game. What type of a win or loss is it when you beat someone with most of their starters out do to this Covid crap? Do we just count this season or what we play of it as practice games?

Its stupid. The whole thing is stupid. I feel like EVERYONE deep down knows this season can't and won't happen but everyone is going through the motions anyway, pretending like it will. It's why I can't get excited. Its why I've barely been keeping up with news or listening to talk shows. Because I know where this is headed which is a non season.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Pruitt's acting like it ain't a big deal.

 

[Gandalf]

Do you have a link to anything showing herd immunity to COVID-19 is achievable? I would love to read up on it.

Well that's the whole point of the magical vaccine isnt it?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yeah, it works until someone gets seriously ill or dies.

More athletes have died from 2 a days than of COVID. Death is going to happen regardless of football. These athletes are about the least likely of the population to get seriously ill or die. Let them play.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Yeah because not testing will make it go away...

I had my people slow down on the testing..

 

[37620VOL]

H1n1 deaths were counted As the only cause in that 12k. Where as a car accident with covid is counted for covid.... thats the difference

If anything, covid 19 deaths are under reported.

There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Pruitt's acting like it ain't a big deal.

This whole "If we just don't test them, then we won't have a problem" thing needs to go. The whole point of testing is so you know how to stop the spread. If Person A is given a test and they test positive, you can keep Person A from spreading it even if they don't have symptoms, but if you just don't test Person A because they haven't shown symptoms then you stand the chance of Person A practicing and infecting the whole team.

There are so many other things we can debate about being practical or impractical but consistent testing is pretty important.

No consistent testing is driving the fear train and holding up progress. If someone isn’t sick there is no reason to test.

 

[ftsandersvol]

Do you have a link to anything showing herd immunity to COVID-19 is achievable? I would love to read up on it.

Psst...I'm hearing Sweden has already achieved herd immunity because they didn't shutdown, but you didn't hear that from me.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If anything, covid 19 deaths are under reported.

There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records.

Um no they are vastly over reported. Multiple times this year different health departments have had to adjust their numbers down.

 

[benchod]

Tennessee cancels practice because of virus

 

[37620VOL]

Um no they are vastly over reported. Multiple times this year different health departments have had to adjust their numbers down.

Over a 3 month period (March to May) total US deaths were up 120k from the same period the prior year. What would you attribute the increase to?

Over the same period only 95k covid deaths were reported.

 

[The Original Fade]

Surprised Pruitt didn’t consult all the board certified virologists and infectious disease experts on VN before making this decision

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Not giving up and been a Vol fan since 1967. My family had season tickets from 1960 until 2012. I’m just saying how can you play when so many players will be out due to testing positive. What kind of a game will it be without a complete team?

But Dan, players who get Covid today, four weeks prior to the first game, are most likely golden for the season. They'll have typically mild symptoms because they're young, or no symptoms at all, and then they'll hopefully have immunity for the rest of the year.

Here, here's a post that explains what I mean. It was about the LSU players who came up positive a few days ago, but precisely the same logic applies to our lads:

So each column is one of the 15 offensive linemen on LSU's team. Today, four of them are healthy (green circles). The other eleven are either sick with Covid (pink) or in isolation (yellow). Within two weeks, the sick ones will gain immunity (blue). Some of the isolated will get sick, and a couple of weeks later gain immunity; others will not get sick, go back to being okay and practicing. It's even possible one or more of the four who started off okay will get sick a week or two from now.

At the end of the day, chances are really good not ONLY that there will be plenty of linemen available to play in the first game, but most of them were okay to practice the crucial week or two prior to the game. And even beyond that, a lot of them will from then on have immunity to hopefully keep them safe the entire season.

I honestly think some people can only see that first line. The "Today" line.

 

[RFlynn]

People relax, Most if not all positive test these guys get have no symptoms and no one is sick. The sky is falling crowd needs to take a chill pill. Look at the numbers this is no worse than the flu for young strong guys. You can call me whatever but this is so political and if you think it's not then your part of the problem. Here is a virus that you have to be tested for to even know if your carrying it, let that sink in for a minute. In 2009 the H1N1 infected 60,000,000 Americans do you even remember that, didn't think so. PLAY BALL.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Surprised Pruitt didn’t consult all the board certified virologists and infectious disease experts on VN before making this decision

I'm about as close as you will find around here, and I'll chime in.
1) This mass-testing of asymptomatic people is insane. PCR is of little to no utility without clinical correlation. Having a positive PCR by no means indicates that a person has active infection nor is contagious.
2) Herd immunity is certainly achievable (earlier referenced in the thread). See: Sweden, NYC, and now basically all the US states and European countries with later waves. Importantly, it also appears that the infection rate required to reach the HI Threshold may be as low as around 20%. There is extensive discussion of this in the Politics Forum CV thread.
3) The risk of severe CV19 infection in children, young adults, and healthy adults in general is exceedingly small. For children and young adults, it is actually even lower than the risk from influenza. Knowing this, and that the only way to achieve immunity/"get through this" is through exposure to and clearance of the virus, disqualifying and quarantining children and young, healthy adults is nothing short of absurd.
4) With all of the above in mind, the elderly/at-risk population should be protected while the rest of us work through the course of this virus.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Psst...I'm hearing Sweden has already achieved herd immunity because they didn't shutdown, but you didn't hear that from me.

I also heard there is little to zero mask wearing.

It's almost like they realized that it only kills very vulnerable unhealthy or old people, attempted to quarantine them while letting everyone else cautiously go about their lives and gain an immunity.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I'm about as close as you will find around here, and I'll chime in.
1) This mass-testing of asymptomatic people is insane. PCR is of little to no utility without clinical correlation. Having a positive PCR by no means indicates that a person has active infection nor is contagious.
2) Herd immunity is certainly achievable (earlier referenced in the thread). See: Sweden, NYC, and now basically all the US states and European countries with later waves. Importantly, it also appears that the infection rate required to reach the HI Threshold may be as low as around 20%. There is extensive discussion of this in the Politics Forum CV thread.
3) The risk of severe CV19 infection in children, young adults, and healthy adults in general is exceedingly small. For children and young adults, it is actually even lower than the risk from influenza. Knowing this, and that the only way to achieve immunity/"get through this" is through exposure to and clearance of the virus, disqualifying and quarantining children and young, healthy adults is nothing short of absurd.
4) With all of the above in mind, the elderly/at-risk population should be protected while the rest of us work through the course of this virus.

Too bad he and others like him won't pay attention to any of these facts that have been espoused ad nauseom for weeks so he can virtue signal.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Surprised Pruitt didn’t consult all the board certified virologists and infectious disease experts on VN before making this decision

I’m surprised to see you posting this since you’ve spent months claiming that there wouldn’t be a season and, yet, football starts tomorrow while the Vols kickoff in 29 days.

So, I must ask... what expertise led you to being so wrong?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I also heard there is little to zero mask wearing.

It's almost like they realized that it only kills very vulnerable unhealthy or old people, attempted to quarantine them while letting everyone else cautiously go about their lives and gain an immunity.

Ding ding ding! Winner, winner.

And guess what? Schools are wide open, bars can stay open past 10 p.m., sports continue, and they aren't paying a quarter of their workers trillions of dollars in unemployment.

 

[sigmundoooz]

If anything, covid 19 deaths are under reported.

There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records.

Back about a month ago, the media was freaking out because there were 77,00 plus people in the ICU in the state of Texas. The Lt. Governor of the state reported that number was correct. 15,000 of those were being treated for Covid. The other 62,000 were cases that included people who had not gone to the hospital because they were not allowed during Covid restrictions and their condition worsened and were now having to go into ICU. Drug overdoses and suicides are up. In one anecdotal situation, it was reported that a small town of about 5,000 people in Idaho had 3 suicides from 2015-2018 (2019 numbers had not been compiled/reported) between March and June of 2020, they had experienced 5 suicides. What if that is happening all across the country? We've seen an 82% increase in drug overdoses. The quote below comes from a story at US News. Link attached.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ers-of-non-covid-19-deaths-up-during-pandemic

"But a third possibility, the one we're quite concerned about, is indirect mortality -- deaths caused by the response to the pandemic," he said. "People who never had the virus may have died from other causes because of the spillover effects of the pandemic, such as delayed medical care, economic hardship or emotional distress."

 

[VOLfrombama]

Where are you guys hearing this? I just read a medical journal that stated the exact opposite on Sweden, from August 12, 2020. So naturally I would love to read your sources as well.

 

[EZE]

It's effective for some viruses....

Note the emphasis on “this” virus.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Where are you guys hearing this? I just read a medical journal that stated the exact opposite on Sweden, from August 12, 2020. So naturally I would love to read your sources as well.

I'll make it even easier:

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Well, no one uses a year of eligibility, I believe. So it is what it is....and if the students keep partying, the whole student body will achieve herd immunity before football season starts (including the players).

Be pretty safe then.

Is Herd immunity even a real factor? I heard again this week of people acquiring Covid twice.

 

[sigmundoooz]

I also heard there is little to zero mask wearing.

It's almost like they realized that it only kills very vulnerable unhealthy or old people, attempted to quarantine them while letting everyone else cautiously go about their lives and gain an immunity.

That is exactly what they did. The only restrictions they put in place were to shut down high schools, colleges and limit gatherings to no more than 50 people. Nothing else was shut down. Bars and restaurants remained open. Notice in this graph how everybody's "curve" is nearly identical. Germany and South Korea are the exceptions and judging by the totality of the data, that is probably more due to reporting method differences than anything else. People seem to forget that the whole concept of "flattening the curve" does not prevent deaths. It only stretches the number out over a longer period of time. The number under the curve doesn't change. The virus is still going to make its way through the population regardless. That is basic epidemiology. I wish this guy that was publishing these graphs could have continued but he reported that after July 1, the numbers became meaningless because a lot of countries started mixing numbers of other deaths with covid deaths. The date reference is in the graph. Note that Sweden is the only country listed that didn't shut down it's economy but their numbers are about the same as everyone else on a per-capita basis.