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#72,977
Electric Orange said:
More Than A Quarter Aged 18-24 Have ‘Seriously Considered Suicide’ In Past 30 Days, Says CDC

"Symptoms of anxiety disorder and depressive disorder increased considerably..."

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VolnJC said:
Hospitizations down again now 15k lower than 3 weeks ago..only major hotspot now is in California where Trump stooge Gavin Newsom continues to ignore the science
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Newsome is a hardcore Liberal. California has had mask mandates for quite sometime. What science are you referring to?
 
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#72,985
3am rant..

Hand washing in my opinion is what is getting overlooked. You can wear a mask to the store and have protection, but if you put your hands on a cart that's been sneezed on that you touch, you may have just exposed yourself if you didn't wash your hands. PPE is not going to be effective if a person doesn't wash their hands.
I am a nurse that soley works with nursing homes. I have witnessed a home having positive Covid with employees and not spread it to the residents. The nurses and CNAs used proper contact precautions and were sent home when the positive results came back, able to return when quarantined time is over or getting a positive result. Residents are tested weekly and prn with daily monitoring of temp. I think of this virus on multiple levels.
I see a lot of arguing where I believe most have good and bad points, the reason why.. We need to do a lot of everything suggested but not all of it or more.. It depends on the person and situation.
I believe that the best way to defeat the virus is being exposed to it.. BUT we also need to safeguard the vulnerable. I wear a mask when going into places like Walmart.. But I keep my hands sanitized through the entire process.. Just like I would in performing contact precautions. The mask is a precaution of being sneezed or coughed on.. But if I don't wash my hands.. The mask can be useless if I touch a surface that has been touched by someone with the virus that had spread it to that surface. I believe that we all need to be exposed, so why do I wear a mask? I do so in precaution of the people I care for and come in contact with that do not want to get the virus.
My experience as a nurse tells me that hand washing is getting overlooked with the mask debate. It isn't a all or none thing.. We have to do things on different levels. We are taught in our field that hand washing is key to breaking the chain of infection. We do education on blood born pathogens every year. Here is a scenerio.. Two people both wear a mask.. Eat candy from a open bowl shared by several... It's this simple, if a positive person that didn't wash their hands touched that candy before hand. Those two just got infected.. And guess what.. The mask was useless because of that.. Another thing that will render a mask ineffective is most wearing masks aren't educated in keeping the masks sanitized. They keep rewearing a mask over and over.. If that mask got exposed at any point.. Then don't you think it could cause a issue. And all this doesn't mean 100% Covid.. Can be flu or other things. The talk about having mask mouth.. Do you think us nurses experience that? Why do we not.. Because we wear disposable and properly disregard them and we wash the custom ones people have made for us like we do our scrubs. Second scenario.. We treat a positive Covid patient in a isolated room that is couching up sputum.. We all our wearing PPE and Don and dof all PPE as trained.. Dispose properly and wash our hands and no one got Covid after.. The masked worked.. As well as all the other precautions taken.
I am in a unique situation, same as the ones I work with. We believe that in order for us to beat this.. It's gonna take exposure to build immunity just like all other viruses.. The challenge is trying to keep it at bay to understand this virus.. While needing exposure but also not spreading it to the vulnerable but also not needing to miss work.. And it goes on.. There is no PERFECT solutions, way to many dynamics..
In the meantime I have to protect the ones I help.. We've been exposed to C.Diff, MRSA, Staph, all flu types, pseudomonas, hepatitis, HIV, morganella, stomach viruses etc.. Each have different levels of precautions taken to protect ourselves but also to stop cross contamination and spread to our neighboring residents...

Ever wonder what you got growing on your shoes?

There is no best answer..
Masks are good for protecting... Only if you do all the other things to go with it.. But hand washing is the simple best protection a person can do.. But we don't talk about this..

When doing a treatment on a patient with a non-infected wound that I wear gloves for.. What is the minimum amount of times I'm required to wash my hands even though I wear gloves?

Sorry for the rant.. It just makes me sad to see the bickering about masks etc when there's more dynamics involved..

Hear is my tip for shopping Walmart.. And I've done this for years.. Get a few of the sanitizer wipes when you go in.. Fold them in your hand.. Wipe the buggy handle.. As you are shopping and touching everything you are buying.. Use the wipes to constantly keeps hands clean.. When checking out.. Wipe the keypad.. When exiting.. Throw the wipes in the trash can going out. I started doing this years ago after watching a child sitting in the cart with snot dripping on the handle.. So I thought.. Wonder how many others are in here touching everything.. And wonder how many times I have done the same.. Lol

Wash your hands...
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I feel like a broken record, but one last time:
Fortunately, our immune system has much more important players in the immunity game. Antibody titers for many infections decline after clearance of pathogens. However, T cells retain the ability to recognize the infections and ramp up antibody protection, if it is ever needed again. This response has been clearly demonstrated in studies of CV19.

I can't make it any simpler for you to understand. I know you are the expert on diagnosing and treating infections, here, but I'm quite confident in my own knowledge on the subject.
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Did some reading up on t-cells and CV19. Seems the research to date suggests the dire warnings about declining antibodies may not have considered the role of t-cells in the body's defense. It's not as concrete as your post suggests, but it does offer hope. Thanks for steering me towards this.
 
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MontyPython said:
If you actually hope that hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of Americans die due to contracting CV19, I wish you well in hell.
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Yea I'm not sure where the 80% number comes from. Every optimistic excerpt I've read says 20% would achieve herd immunity with T-cell memory
 
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#72,989
MontyPython said:
If you actually hope that hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of Americans die due to contracting CV19, I suggest you seek mental counseling.
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Stop with the fear porn.... he didn’t say anything about people dying.... healthy people need to contract this illness while protecting the sick for this illness to go away
 
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TheDeeble said:
I can see some big govt lovers out there trying to use this as a power grab in the future. "All the states did their own thing and we think they shouldn't be able to do that. We need one authority to make the decision for everyone."
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Boy you called that one. 2 days later...Biden says we need a national mask mandate.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We kind of already have those in Florida .some of the scales were Only open to regular 4s , asking travelers where they are coming from .
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I’ve literally kept a client’s proposal in my back seat since March for that very reason just in case. Luckily Knoxville ended up not quite going that far with enforcement but had the cops wanted to do so the mandate was there early on.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Stop with the fear porn.... he didn’t say anything about people dying.... healthy people need to contract this illness while protecting the sick for this illness to go away
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Yes. Yes he did. If 80% of people contract the virus, then hundreds of thousands (if not millions) will die. If you think 80% of our population is "healthy", you've had your eyes closed in public for the last 30 years. Ask yourself, what makes someone more at risk to suffer negative CV19 symptoms?

Per CDC:

"Having obesity, defined as a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above, increases your risk of severe illness from COVID-19."

Thus, roughly 50% of the population is at risk from obesity, alone.

Add in all the other crap that people have... I think we have like 20%-25% "healthy" people here.
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#72,995
MontyPython said:
Yes. Yes he did. If 80% of people contract the virus, then hundreds of thousands (if not millions) will die. If you think 80% of our population is "healthy", you've had your eyes closed in public for the last 30 years. Ask yourself, what makes someone more at risk to suffer negative CV19 symptoms?

Per CDC:

"Having obesity, defined as a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above, increases your risk of severe illness from COVID-19."

Thus, roughly 50% of the population is at risk.
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They were "at risk" before Covid.
 
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MontyPython said:
Yes. Yes he did. If 80% of people contract the virus, then hundreds of thousands (if not millions) will die. If you think 80% of our population is "healthy", you've had your eyes closed in public for the last 30 years. Ask yourself, what makes someone more at risk to suffer negative CV19 symptoms?

Per CDC:

"Having obesity, defined as a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above, increases your risk of severe illness from COVID-19."

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So what you are advocating for is for people to live healthier lifestyles..... maybe this will be a wake up call to be more active and eat less calories... people that are obese( was myself included but I’ve dropped 30 pounds in the past two months) have shown that they don’t care about heart disease, diabetes or any other health disease associated with being overweight.... you can’t protect people from themselves.
 
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volbeast33 said:
So what you are advocating for is for people to live healthier lifestyles..... maybe this will be a wake up call to be more active and eat less calories... people that are obese( was myself included but I’ve dropped 30 pounds in the past two months) have shown that they don’t care about heart disease, diabetes or any other health disease associated with being overweight.... you can’t protect people from themselves.
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You can't. And it doesn't help when people are told they are "stunning and brave" for being overweight and proud of it.
 
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volbeast33 said:
So what you are advocating for is for people to live healthier lifestyles..... maybe this will be a wake up call to be more active and eat less calories... people that are obese( was myself included but I’ve dropped 30 pounds in the past two months) have shown that they don’t care about heart disease, diabetes or any other health disease associated with being overweight.... you can’t protect people from themselves.
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It would be great if we became a healthier people, but I don't see that happening.

We Americans are generally a fat, ignorant and entitled lot. China's gonna eat our lunch, only it'll be rice and fish.

My point is that unleashing the virus in an attempt to achieve herd immunity is simply a horrible, horrible idea.


Only 12 percent of American adults are metabolically healthy, study finds


Less Than 3 Percent of Americans Have a Healthy Lifestyle


Why Is the USA Only the 35th Healthiest Country in the World?
 
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