2020 Presidential Race

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utvolpj said:
Except you're the one who brought up tracing. Maybe don't bring it up if you're not prepared to discuss it

If there was something he could have done you would just post instead of putting out a long winded post blaming me for even asking.

Can you institute contact tracing on a meaningful level and still protect individual rights? If not then you're just making stuff up
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I was pointing to the previous discussions which you piggy backed off of.

I addressed what you asked earlier about people willing to cooperate with tracing, as well as what he could have done to help make it happen throughout this discussion.

I also said I have sht to do, so no need to insinuate I'm not willing to discuss it further, if that's what you are suggesting.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I was pointing to the previous discussions which you piggy backed off of.

I addressed what you asked earlier about people willing to cooperate with tracing, as well as what he could have done to help make it happen throughout this discussion.

I also said I have sht to do, so no need to insinuate I'm not willing to discuss it further, if that's what you are suggesting.
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So Trump should have made more people volunteer and cooperate. Sounds logical and in line with your recent ideas 👍
 
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hog88 said:
Millions more people lived under communist oppression than lived free due to FDRs agreements with Stalin and refusal to deal with Mao.
An abuse of power is an abuse of power, regardless of the outcome. If Trumps EO ends up feeding families will you give him the same credit?
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I will certainly weigh all outcomes.
 
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Stew Cook said:
So, we have enough tests, now that tracing is nearly impossible. But at the time, even though he lied about test availability , we couldn't have done it, because it would have cost money?

Yet, now he insists he can make money available with an Executive Order. Man.. I guess that still makes him an idiot either way.
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Changing information. No one was talking about trillion plus bailouts in February, or march.

Doesnt mean he should have spent the money.

And really I brought up the tracing issue because who would have done it? And in such short time? Personally, I am not comfortable with Trump being able to order all citizens watched, are you?

The dems arent even on the page of requiring IDs to vote. But for some reason they moisten up at the idea of the government tracking them throughout day to day activities.

Inconsistent AF.

To go along with the general dislike of Trump and the complaints that he has done too much, followed right up with complaints he doesnt do enough.
 
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MG1968 said:
How is LBJ in the top 10? His ROE during Vietnam were responsible for most of the US’ casualties.
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Yeah any list that has LBJ in the too ten is weak AF.

To me that list read more as the most influential/consequential instead of best.

Also Truman at 6? He wasnt bad, but really just riding the coattails there.
 
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utvolpj said:
So Trump should have made more people volunteer and cooperate. Sounds logical and in line with your recent ideas 👍
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Yeah, PJ... who would volunteer for a test, especially when we didn't have enough to try tracing anyway? How soon you forget we couldn't even test nurses.

Invoking the DPA at the end of April, really helped increase the chances of contact tracing being a reality... because nobody would have agreed to participate if Trump would have invoked it sooner, which actually would have made it possible.... But nobody would agree anyway without martial law or some sht...



Your logic is flawless
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Lol, the guy who freed the slaves and defeated the Confederacy and the guy who overcame the great depression and defeated the Nazis are the 2 worst presidents ever. You just outed yourself @hog88
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You might want to rethink your Lincoln stance.
Read up on his beliefs. He wanted to deport all black people. He was the original “take them back to Africa” White supremacist. Freedom for slaves was strictly a political move. He wasn’t a good guy.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Yeah, PJ... who would volunteer for a test, especially when we didn't have enough to try tracing anyway? How soon you forget we couldn't even test nurses.

Invoking the DPA at the end of April, really helped increase the chances of contact tracing being a reality... because nobody would have agreed to participate if Trump would have invoked it sooner, which actually would have made it possible.... But nobody would agree anyway without martial law or some sht...



Your logic is flawless
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Dpa suspends the rights of citizens and allows for usable tracing? How would we have enough tests for a brand new virus?

You keep blaming Trump while using the words "volunteer" and"cooperate" which is very confusing. Are you saying Trump should have forced people to volunteer and cooperate?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You might want to rethink your Lincoln stance.
Read up on his beliefs. He wanted to deport all black people. He was the original “take them back to Africa” White supremacist. Freedom for slaves was strictly a political move. He wasn’t a good guy.
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Why not go ahead and provide a link?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You might want to rethink your Lincoln stance.
Read up on his beliefs. He wanted to deport all black people. He was the original “take them back to Africa” White supremacist. Freedom for slaves was strictly a political move. He wasn’t a good guy.
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I've always been surprised that want a more well known fact. I know I never learned it in school
 
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utvolpj said:
Dpa suspends the rights of citizens and allows for usable tracing?

You keep blaming Trump while using the words "volunteer" and"cooperate" which is very confusing. Are you saying Trump should have forced people to volunteer and cooperate?
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Your assumptions remain the same, therefore it wouldn't be possible according to you. We might as well forget vaccines while we are at it.

You know what else wouldn't make it possible? Not having the tests available to do so, until after Trump made his grand reopening guidelines, which he didn't mind anyone ignoring before then anyway.

Why bother doing anything really, since you can't make us? This is your ultimate logic.

👍👌
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah any list that has LBJ in the too ten is weak AF.

To me that list read more as the most influential/consequential instead of best.

Also Truman at 6? He wasnt bad, but really just riding the coattails there.
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LBJ, Truman and Obama in the top 10 tells me that was a politically motivated survey.
 
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