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Got a window of opportunity tomorrow, if the weather cooperates, so...

- Colt 6933 is dialed in, so now I'll mount the spare upper and dial it in on the BUS (Colt FSB and Magpul rear). In theory, I can simply move the Aimpoint PRO from 6933 #1 to the spare upper and still be on POA.
- Next will be the Colt 6721 with the Vortex 3X Spitfire. Due to the required 3" eye relief of the Vortex, the rear BUS now sits in front of the Vortex, so I'll drop the Vortex...move the rear BUS back...and dial in at 50/200. Then move the rear BUS back forward, remount the Vortex, and zero at 100 with that. If I do it right, I'll have the Vortex zero'd at 100 (so I get the full benefit of the BDC reticle), and if the optic is damaged, I can drop it, move the rear BUS back to index point, and have a 50/200 zero with the "irons".
- That'll end up being two uppers and one full rifle to clean, so I'll defer confirming my zero with 6721 #2, which mounts a Nikon P-223 until next weekend, or the next. In my new rotation, I shoot one rifle each month, so once I'm good on all three guns / four uppers, each rifle/upper gets range time once every 4 months.
- Which works, since I also run a practice PWC with one of my .45's each time I go to the range, so each range day is used to full benefit, and I don't have too much to clean on any given weekend.

It will depend, to some extent, on being able to find the right ammo to replace what I shoot each month. Finding .45 ACP is easy. Finding 62+ 5.56 seems to be getting tougher by the day. So we'll see. I have a self-imposed minimum number for loaded mags/ready at hand/and reserve. I won't go below my minimum numbers, so if I get to that point, then I'll just have to trust my zero's, and sit pat.

At any rate, I'll be a tough out inside of 100 yards.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Got a window of opportunity tomorrow, if the weather cooperates, so...

- Colt 6933 is dialed in, so now I'll mount the spare upper and dial it in on the BUS (Colt FSB and Magpul rear). In theory, I can simply move the Aimpoint PRO from 6933 #1 to the spare upper and still be on POA.
- Next will be the Colt 6721 with the Vortex 3X Spitfire. Due to the required 3" eye relief of the Vortex, the rear BUS now sits in front of the Vortex, so I'll drop the Vortex...move the rear BUS back...and dial in at 50/200. Then move the rear BUS back forward, remount the Vortex, and zero at 100 with that. If I do it right, I'll have the Vortex zero'd at 100 (so I get the full benefit of the BDC reticle), and if the optic is damaged, I can drop it, move the rear BUS back to index point, and have a 50/200 zero with the "irons".
- That'll end up being two uppers and one full rifle to clean, so I'll defer confirming my zero with 6721 #2, which mounts a Nikon P-223 until next weekend, or the next. In my new rotation, I shoot one rifle each month, so once I'm good on all three guns / four uppers, each rifle/upper gets range time once every 4 months.
- Which works, since I also run a practice PWC with one of my .45's each time I go to the range, so each range day is used to full benefit, and I don't have too much to clean on any given weekend.

It will depend, to some extent, on being able to find the right ammo to replace what I shoot each month. Finding .45 ACP is easy. Finding 62+ 5.56 seems to be getting tougher by the day. So we'll see. I have a self-imposed minimum number for loaded mags/ready at hand/and reserve. I won't go below my minimum numbers, so if I get to that point, then I'll just have to trust my zero's, and sit pat.

At any rate, I'll be a tough out inside of 100 yards.
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Anything inside 100M and the grain really won't matter. Do y'all (LE) shoot yards?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Got a window of opportunity tomorrow, if the weather cooperates, so...

- Colt 6933 is dialed in, so now I'll mount the spare upper and dial it in on the BUS (Colt FSB and Magpul rear). In theory, I can simply move the Aimpoint PRO from 6933 #1 to the spare upper and still be on POA.
- Next will be the Colt 6721 with the Vortex 3X Spitfire. Due to the required 3" eye relief of the Vortex, the rear BUS now sits in front of the Vortex, so I'll drop the Vortex...move the rear BUS back...and dial in at 50/200. Then move the rear BUS back forward, remount the Vortex, and zero at 100 with that. If I do it right, I'll have the Vortex zero'd at 100 (so I get the full benefit of the BDC reticle), and if the optic is damaged, I can drop it, move the rear BUS back to index point, and have a 50/200 zero with the "irons".
- That'll end up being two uppers and one full rifle to clean, so I'll defer confirming my zero with 6721 #2, which mounts a Nikon P-223 until next weekend, or the next. In my new rotation, I shoot one rifle each month, so once I'm good on all three guns / four uppers, each rifle/upper gets range time once every 4 months.
- Which works, since I also run a practice PWC with one of my .45's each time I go to the range, so each range day is used to full benefit, and I don't have too much to clean on any given weekend.

It will depend, to some extent, on being able to find the right ammo to replace what I shoot each month. Finding .45 ACP is easy. Finding 62+ 5.56 seems to be getting tougher by the day. So we'll see. I have a self-imposed minimum number for loaded mags/ready at hand/and reserve. I won't go below my minimum numbers, so if I get to that point, then I'll just have to trust my zero's, and sit pat.

At any rate, I'll be a tough out inside of 100 yards.
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You clean after every range trip? I'm old enough to have been taught that but it seems like a lot of 'experts' on youtube are preaching that it's not necessary. I've even seen one guy's videos who claims he has rifles that he's put 50k + rounds through and never cleaned the bore once.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
You clean after every range trip? I'm old enough to have been taught that but it seems like a lot of 'experts' on youtube are preaching that it's not necessary. I've even seen one guy's videos who claims he has rifles that he's put 50k + rounds through and never cleaned the bore once.
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Yeah, I do. I’ve read / heard the same, but I figure I’ve never had a malfunction or FTF that happened because the gun was too clean, so.....
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
You clean after every range trip? I'm old enough to have been taught that but it seems like a lot of 'experts' on youtube are preaching that it's not necessary. I've even seen one guy's videos who claims he has rifles that he's put 50k + rounds through and never cleaned the bore once.
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People that shoot competitively tend not to, as you get to a certain level of fouling that produces consistent results. If you clean every time you shoot you introduce a variable that can affect accuracy. Doesn’t really matter for the average shooter but there are people adhering to that philosophy.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
People that shoot competitively tend not to, as you get to a certain level of fouling that produces consistent results. If you clean every time you shoot you introduce a variable that can affect accuracy. Doesn’t really matter for the average shooter but there are people adhering to that philosophy.
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My mother lived by the rule that you never have to polish your sterling sliver if you use it regularly.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
People that shoot competitively tend not to, as you get to a certain level of fouling that produces consistent results. If you clean every time you shoot you introduce a variable that can affect accuracy. Doesn’t really matter for the average shooter but there are people adhering to that philosophy.
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Internal ballistics is voodoo. Some barrels really do need to "shoot in" while others not so much. Lots of hunters sight in with however many rounds it takes to be "on" before the season and don't clean the bore until the season is over.
 
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hndog609 said:
Internal ballistics is voodoo. Some barrels really do need to "shoot in" while others not so much. Lots of hunters sight in with however many rounds it takes to be "on" before the season and don't clean the bore until the season is over.
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But they all shoot different with a layer of fouling vs clean.
 
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Didn't shoot today. Worked this AM, and too dang hot once I got home after lunch. So it will have to wait.

WRT the "clean bore / fouled bore" debate, I think there is room for both sides. I've heard about competitive shooters, and SWAT/SRT marksmen, who adhere to the "CLP and three" mantra, i.e. - clean and then fire three rounds down the pipe to keep the DOPE book consistent. I know a former GSP SWAT sniper who did just that. He mounted and dialed-in the P-223 for me, then put 10 rounds of 69 SMK's through a hole you could cover with a silver dollar, at 100 yards, handed it back to me and said "It's okay, I guess". So I listen when he speaks. Humbling to have someone else shoot your rifle better than you can...

For me, I just clean after I shoot. Usually that same day, but sometimes the next day, or worst case the next. With the exception of my first 6721, I don't know that I've even "shot in" the barrels yet. I have maybe 100 rounds through the scoped 6721; the new 6933 has roughly 100 rounds through it; and the spare 6933 upper is still waiting on its' first range trip. But boy are they all clean. :cool:

Just do what works for you to make you confident behind the gun.
 
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Question for the people who have done the sbr application process. If I own a long barreled pistol with an arm brace and I want to apply for the sbr stamp so I can swap my brace for a stock, do I have to take my pistol to the FFL while the application is pending or can I keep it as-is and do the swap myself once I get the approval and pay the tax?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Question for the people who have done the sbr application process. If I own a long barreled pistol with an arm brace and I want to apply for the sbr stamp so I can swap my brace for a stock, do I have to take my pistol to the FFL while the application is pending or can I keep it as-is and do the swap myself once I get the approval and pay the tax?
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Just get a good brace like the sba3 or sba4. they're as good as a stock with no hassle, no paperwork, no bs tax, and you can you can take it out of state without notifying the alphabet boys. If you do go the sbr route i think you get it engraved when you do the application, once it's approved you're good to put a stock on without having to do anything else
 
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Update: Sig sent me a shipping label, and they now have my slide to replace the front sight on my 365. Sounds like they are a little backed up, so I hope to have it back in a few weeks.
 
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BennesseeVols said:
Just get a good brace like the sba3 or sba4. they're as good as a stock with no hassle, no paperwork, no bs tax, and you can you can take it out of state without notifying the alphabet boys. If you do go the sbr route i think you get it engraved when you do the application, once it's approved you're good to put a stock on without having to do anything else
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I've got the SB tactical fs1913. I like it, except for the flex when you dump rounds. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
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BennesseeVols said:
Just get a good brace like the sba3 or sba4. they're as good as a stock with no hassle, no paperwork, no bs tax, and you can you can take it out of state without notifying the alphabet boys. If you do go the sbr route i think you get it engraved when you do the application, once it's approved you're good to put a stock on without having to do anything else
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I've got the SB tactical fs1913. I like it, except for the flex when you dump rounds. Thanks for the suggestions.
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I gotcha, i was guessing you had a shockwave or something on an ar. I can see how that one would flex more. If anyone is running an sba3, sba4, or their pdw brace look at the split fix from wise men company. It eliminates a lot of the flex and keeps the rubber arms aligned. I just checked and they don't have one for the fs1913.
 
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