Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[drvenner]

Football is gonna happen this year! One freaking way or another!

Cancel College football! Fu** You! I'll put the ole pads back on myself and we'll have backyard youtube football Mothereffers!!

Who's with me?!!


















God, please someone be with me, so I can be like the bench warmer, or even better...the water boy...or even betterer...the ball boy.

Marines like balls.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Vol Twitter saved our program that Sunday. Do you think we can rally together and band with other fans to save college football this year? Start retweeting all players wanting to play, blow up the mentions of ADs, presidents, and commissioners, and drown out the coronabros.

 

[Jack Burton]

We need to sacrifice football in order to play basketball. B-ball team has a chance to win it all.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Football is gonna happen this year! One freaking way or another!

Cancel College football! Fu** You! I'll put the ole pads back on myself and we'll have backyard youtube football Mothereffers!!

Who's with me?!!


















God, please someone be with me, so I can be like the bench warmer, or even better...the water boy...or even betterer...the ball boy.

Get some Ben Gay , ibuprofen , and let's roll.





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[RikidyBones]

That day on Twitter when Schiano was announced. I don't Twitter much but I refreshed it constantly and ran back over here to get more. Wildest. Day. Ever.

I looked at my wife and said "if this happens, I cant support Tennessee anymore" because it was such a slap in the face to all the money and sacrifices the fans make.

 

[drvenner]

The presidents should try to negotiate rather than fight it. I think guaranteed, life-long healthcare and allowing players to profit off of image and likeness would be very manageable and fair.

Life long health care would be heinously expensive. Maybe each school contributes to a fund to help players who suffer permanent disabilities from playing.

 

[JacketVol]

Yeah the bright side to these games is that if we weren’t going to win the East this year it’s not going to matter much what our record is (but rather who we beat) and this gives us two more opportunities for ranked wins. The only way you can sell that we are back to being in the hunt for championships is by beating ranked teams (something we haven’t done consistently in a long time). One of my big concerns for this season was that we would lose all of the big games and not show substantial progress to recruits. Now we have five opportunities to make a statement and winning two will probably catapult us to a top 5 class (finish) this year and set us up for the same next year. We won’t be consistently competing for the SEC until we start landing classes like that back to back.

Excellent post. Post more.

 

[Vol8188]

It's really not that hard, is it? Will Friend gets credit now because of the improvement the OL has made. When one of our QB's shows improvement, Weinke will get the credit.

But so far our QB's have either not improved, or in the case of JG, they regressed. And now Bailey is struggling

Bailey is struggling? The kid who’s never even thrown a collegiate pass? Let’s at least be honest

 

[scvolfan7]

Why should they get “lifelong” healthcare? Also, players next year can profit off of their likeness. I believe Universities should have to put some type of insurance on the kids they recruit to play sports, but if they wanted to get technical schools could start deducting that from athletes stipends they get every month.

Football destroys people’s bodies. School makes money off their bodies being destroyed. Lifelong healthcare should be provided. Then provide it to athletes in other sports on a case by case basis. Like if they have a career ending injury while playing basketball or volleyball or something.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

This this this this!!! What an entitled world we live in!! It’s sickening! I’m so tired of these younger generations feeling like they are entitled to any and everything! Get off your rear end and go out and work for it! You want to get paid big bucks to play football? Work your tail off to give yourself the best chance possible to make those bucks in the league! Oh by the way, if you will work just a little in the classroom, we will pay for you to have a free education and a degree that will help you make a good living if you don’t make it to the league, or after your career ends in the league. Oh guess what else you get? A huge network of business men/women who will favor you for jobs because you are an former player of their beloved university. Yeah, we all know this is true. Give me, give me, give me! That’s all this soft country is about. What can you do for me?! These generations of younger men/women don’t have a clue what will hit them in the face in the real world very soon. It will be a culture shock.

I wonder what President Kennedy would think.
If JFK’s speech with “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” was given today, he would be vilified on social media and no way last as President.

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

Heck, my generation was raised with the statement that you can be whatever you want to be if you work hard enough for it. One of the best motivators for me was all the people who said that I wasn’t smart enough to be a doctor. Every time that I would start to get overwhelmed or think it was too difficult for me, the things that those people said would echo in my mind. All the motivation I needed. I truly enjoyed proving them wrong. I was even a little petty, I sent them thank you letters when I became a clinical teaching professor at a top 10 ranked med school. I told them without their encouragement that I wasn’t good enough or smart enough that I wouldn’t be where I was...

What I see now, ( I work with a lot of young people between Scouts, sports, and a disabled children’s camp) is if at first I don’t succeed, I will just go do something else. Or call my parents to get them to do it for me...

Where I don’t see it is with my daughter’s HS dance/drill team and her competitive dance studio. The drill team requires that they try out every year. Heck, they have to try out for each and every dance. My daughter didn’t make the cut on one dance. Rather than throwing in the towel, she admitted that she didn’t bring her best and swore that would never happen again.

I know, tl;dr.

 

[scvolfan7]

Life long health care would be heinously expensive. Maybe each school contributes to a fund to help players who suffer permanent disabilities from playing.

That’s going to be most football players. Universities can afford it...or advocate for much needed reform to our healthcare system in general

 

[Jack Burton]

A league play result equivalent to 2019 would be 5-5. If we win 6 it’s an improvement over last season. Expecting much more than that is fine but probably unrealistic with this schedule.

It’s a season of opportunity though. More eyes will be on the games (if they’re actually played). A good time to show if we’ve made progress toward a true rebuild and return to competing at the highest level.

 

[snowvols]

Briefly mentioned in the article that schools are already trying to poach MAC players.


The MAC canceled football. Its players? 'We all wanted to play'

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Get some Ben Gay , ibuprofen , and let's roll.





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Can’t limit it to a roster of 85 unless it’s 85 per half. I could play one game, but would need at least 3 bye weeks before the next game.

There’s a country song that describes old guys...Toby Keith: As Good As I Once Was”

I think that it could be wildly entertaining. Plays would develop much slower, but contact would be even more violent since we can’t change direction as quickly...

What should the minimum age be?

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Life long health care would be heinously expensive. Maybe each school contributes to a fund to help players who suffer permanent disabilities from playing.

Coverage for long term care of injuries sustained during scholarship play with stipulation that coverage only occurs through school sports med group and the affiliated hospital. No travel expenses or opioids.

Injury coverage only. No coverage for anything that develops while on scholarship (ie diabetes, psych issues, etc.)

Could be easily doable for the P5 schools, but would bankrupt the smaller schools...

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

My group covers University of Texas, Arlington as team physicians. They don’t have a football team because the University can’t afford one.

They don’t pay us for coverage at all. For us, it’s a community service and we all enjoy going to the games. (I cover basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball). We have a large group, so we easily split the games so no one is overwhelmed. Team physicians for the big schools get paid in marketing (who doesn’t want to be treated by the Volunteers’ team Docs?) Small schools not so much...

We do get paid if the athletes come to our office with an injury. We do pre-sport physicals and have prevented many injuries that way...

All the UTA athletes are pissed that their seasons have been canceled by Covid. They would play anytime anywhere that they were given a chance...

 

[Skullbone]

These guys dont care about health care. You think that's going to fix it? No. That's just the beginning. Once you start giving in to demands it's not going to stop. Give them money and next year they'll demand more or strike. And so on. What needs to be done is nothing. Anyone who doesn't want to play college ball doesn't have to. Train yourself and then go straight to the NFL or Canadian Football. If guys quit because of that then good. Next man up and good luck to you. College ball is like an internship for a real job.

 

[Rishvol]

Coverage for long term care of injuries sustained during scholarship play with stipulation that coverage only occurs through school sports med group and the affiliated hospital. No travel expenses or opioids.

Injury coverage only. No coverage for anything that develops while on scholarship (ie diabetes, psych issues, etc.)

Could be easily doable for the P5 schools, but would bankrupt the smaller schools...

It would only be possible for a handful of P5 schools. Very few, if any, PAC12 schools could afford. Same with the rest of the conferences. In fact, probably only 10 schools in total could afford it and that's only for a few generations (4 years per generation)

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

After the Big 10 meeting today rumors are swirling that Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State are reaching out to the Big 12 to see if they can join their conference for this year. TIFWIW, but I tried to make sure multiple people with thousands of followers were talking about it. We’ll see but it reminded me of a tweet I saw from Deion Sanders from yesterday.

How intense would it be if all of the conferences opted out of the season and schools who wanted in joined together for a mega-conference style 12 game season. The top 8 go to a playoff to end. Damn would that be enjoyable to watch.

 

[drvenner]

That’s going to be most football players. Universities can afford it...or advocate for much needed reform to our healthcare system in general

Universities cannot afford it. Not sure if advocating would help or not but I'm not opposed to them trying. And I meant permanently disabled as in they can't work. Not sure how many college players fall into that category.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Football destroys people’s bodies. School makes money off their bodies being destroyed. Lifelong healthcare should be provided. Then provide it to athletes in other sports on a case by case basis. Like if they have a career ending injury while playing basketball or volleyball or something.

There is this clause in liability waivers called assumption of risk. The players know what they are getting into when signing up to play football at any level. If they dont want their bodies to get injured, then dont play there are plenty of others in line to take that risk. Secondly, that would cost the schools quite a bit of money every year. You're talking 85 players for football x whatever the cost is, plus the addition of athlete from other sports. By the time athletic departments pay for all non revenue producing sports most athletic departments struggle to stay in the black. Third to put money toward one program it would need to be reallocated from another, so where are you wanting them to take money from?

 

[WBO]

This this this this!!! What an entitled world we live in!! It’s sickening! I’m so tired of these younger generations feeling like they are entitled to any and everything! Get off your rear end and go out and work for it! You want to get paid big bucks to play football? Work your tail off to give yourself the best chance possible to make those bucks in the league! Oh by the way, if you will work just a little in the classroom, we will pay for you to have a free education and a degree that will help you make a good living if you don’t make it to the league, or after your career ends in the league. Oh guess what else you get? A huge network of business men/women who will favor you for jobs because you are an former player of their beloved university. Yeah, we all know this is true. Give me, give me, give me! That’s all this soft country is about. What can you do for me?! These generations of younger men/women don’t have a clue what will hit them in the face in the real world very soon. It will be a culture shock.

Not sure about your point. Surely you're not saying that a young man who is good enough to be receive a Power 5 scholarship hasn't worked hard to get to that position? That's not really valid. They have already sacrificed significantly. They've gone through weight training and spring and summer practices beyond fall football, especially those kids from the deep South who are practicing in early August. Then throw in the fact that many of them have surgeries in HS due to injuries. These kids already know what it means to work and sacrifice.

I am always irritated at sports commentators that don't give any value to the development costs incurred by the schools, the weight training, nutrition and kills development. BUT that being said, if the players can get organized and negotiate compensation packages isn't that the capitalistic system that we are all so proud of. Supply and demand. If we want their services we should pay what the market will bear, particularly when we're paying the head coaches $5 million a year.

 

[BaldBiker]

Don't give them a damn thing more. They either play football or they don't. If a player chooses not to play, they will either be unknown or forgotten by fans.

I will still watch UT football, regardless of "what" the players last name is on the jersey.

 

[tnhunter 10]

At this point, CFB has too much of a following to change.

Rules changes, pass happy offenses, and paying players have me already turning off NFL. Honestly pageantry keeps me invested in CFB. The game is changing. It will lose a lot of interest on current path.

EPL is garnering more and morw viewership. btw i am not suggesting football is losing viewership to futbol. Just saying personally, its like a new shiny toy.

I've tried watching futbo/soccer, just not my cup of tea.

 

[butchna]

Don't give them a damn thing more. They either play football or they don't. If a player chooses not to play, they will either be unknown or forgotten by fans.

I will still watch UT football, regardless of "what" the players last name is on the jersey.

So will every real UT fan...even the ones who annually announce how “done” they are. LWS thing.