2020 Presidential Race

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rjd970 said:
The respective wingnut bases who hate the other guy more than they like their guy are the problem. 3rd party is what this country desperately needs and what the majority of Americans want, but as long as they have the line of thinking that it is a cast away vote perpetuated by your line of thinking they won’t do it.

I always vote 3rd party. Some of us are just ahead of the curve and actually think for ourselves and vote our conscious.

If the Dem or Rep party truly represents your beliefs more than anyone else then great for you. If you are doing because of the lesser of two evils, I’m sorry to say, you are the problem and the one wasting a vote.
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Who will you be voting for in the upcoming election? Give me a 3rd party candidate running that’s worth voting for as I’d be curious to learn more about them. Louder seems to think similarly to you but likely will sit this one out.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Do you think Biden is equivalent to a rock? I may have asked you that before.

I don’t.

I don’t think Biden meets some standard of “ideal candidate,” mostly because that’s nebulous and doesn’t really exist. He’s experienced. He’s worked in the legislative and executive branches and was effective and respected in both places. He’s not the most polished speaker. He’s not incredibly consistent over a long career, although that’s an overrated criteria. He’s somebody I would have been happy to see on the other side of the ticket in any of the past 4 elections because I wouldn’t have felt like **** would hit the fan if my guy lost. In fact, I don’t have any more reticence about voting for Biden than I did Gary Johnson, Romney, McCain, or Bush. So the flight 93 election narrative is not persuasive.

I can watch the hour long speech he gave 5 days ago and easily dispel the “dementia” and “only done short canned remarks for weeks,” criticisms.

I can watch how he acts with kids and the pedophile thing seems like nonsense, to me. I don’t even really think reasonable minds can differ on the last two. I can’t respect anybody who throws that accusation around with that level of “proof,” tbh.

So I look at his platform:
Expanding Obamacare: Not ideal, but I prefer it over repealing it without a plan to enact any of the positive regulations in Obamacare.
Environmental policies: Here, I agree with the intent, just not the scope.
Criminal justice reform: I’m for all of his stated policies. I doubt he will do them.
I’m against most of his economic and education reforms.
I’ve heard different things on his stance on legalizing marijuana. I think it should be done.
I’m not in favor of his 2nd amendment policies.
I don’t mind his immigration stance.

What distinguishes Biden for me is:
1. I think he respects the institutions of our government and would not attempt to shut down congressional oversight to hide his decisions from public scrutiny, nor do I think he will attempt to undermine the credibility of the Supreme Court
2. He does not have a cult of personality to get away with this, if he tried. The Democratic Party is now a split coalition. It may be 60/30/10, but it was the pragmatic 70 that voted for Biden. The crazy people may not even vote for him. I don’t think that coalition will stand by him the way Republicans have with Trump, unless republicans continue to make angry populist grifters the face of the party.
3. He seems willing to work across aisle and is empathetic enough to attempt to govern in everyone’s best interest, as opposed to trying to inflict pain on people who didn’t vote for him.
4. I think he actually wants to do the job and will prepare for it and take it seriously. I think he has the intelligence and experience to do that.
5. I think his foreign policy decisions will be better, although they really couldn’t be much worse and this really gets back to point 4.

I reserve my right to change my mind after seeing his VP candidate but I’m most likely voting for Biden and have no qualms about it. People acting like he’s a once in a generation bad candidate seem hysterical, IMO.

Biden is realizing we chose the wrong path at that fork in the road and while turning around may not be ideal, it’s better than going the wrong direction entirely.
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That’s a well thought out post. Biden doesn’t bother me really on his own. These extremist factions rising in the Dem party do scare me though and I don’t agree with giving illegal immigrants a bunch of free stuff, don’t agree with much of the Green New Deal, don’t believe that reduced police funding is the answer to civil unrest, and more so I can’t vote for the Dem nominee in 90 days or so. If I didn’t vote Republican it would be a 3rd party I support.

Criminal reform is an interesting one for you to list with Trump passing the First Step Act and Biden supporting the 1994 Crime Act. In fact, there’s an entire NYT article from June 2019 about Biden needing to answer for his stance on crime over the years. What’s going to be funny is back in the primaries he tried to distance himself from his record on crime and now he will be trying to run on taking money away from police while at the same time trying to appear as if he is for law and order. It should be fun watching him dance. I suspect at different times he will both supper and denounce his prior record. That’s pretty typical in politics.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Clinton won the pooular vote by what, 3 million votes? Dems accepted the result.

I have to think that the GOP leadership - not the Trump loons -- would force him out. If he were to refuse to leave or accept the result, it would crush the legitimacy of the GOP forever. They know that.

Election will go forward. Trump will lose. Trump will whine like the 6 year old he is. But in the end we will be rid of him.
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There's considerable evidence certain Dems and Republicans were prepared not to accept the results along with highly politicized alphabet agencies. #Resist has been happening for a long time. You want to deny certain aspects of the parties are hell bent on tripping a president up from the beginning by any means necessary. Has this not happened before? It's called dirty politics. It will continue.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
There's considerable evidence certain Dems and Republicans were prepared not to accept the results along with highly politicized alphabet agencies. #Resist has been happening for a long time. You want to deny certain aspects of the parties are hell bent on tripping a president up from the beginning by any means necessary. Has this not happened before? It's called dirty politics. It will continue.
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Honestly, no one needs to work to "trip up" Trump. He's proven himself quite capable of screwing everything up all on his own.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Honestly, no one needs to work to "trip up" Trump. He's proven himself quite capable of screwing everything up all on his own.
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I agree with the 25 ft long tongue you will trip yourself up. He has done so. I will gladly give you that. There are also those who explicitly work at taking whatever he says and twisting it. I have a hard time with people calling lies truth and visa versa.
Neither side is as any better. Some Democrats absolutely will not admit there's a problem with Biden. He has a problem, that dishonestly about his mental faculties and his past, I can't get by it. As in 2016, I like neither candidate.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I agree with the 25 ft long tongue you will trip yourself up. He has done so. I will gladly give you that. There are also those who explicitly work at taking whatever he says and twisting it. I have a hard time with people calling lies truth and visa versa.
Neither side is as any better. Some Democrats absolutely will not admit there's a problem with Biden. He has a problem, that dishonestly about his mental faculties and his past, I can't get by it. As in 2016, I like neither candidate.
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There is no cult following with Biden, as there is with Trump. People know what they are buying.

If Biden appeared unable to do the job he'd be pressured by those around him to resign and he would listen. With Trump, anyone says that to him and he will fire them and rape their dog.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is no cult following with Biden, as there is with Trump. People know what they are buying.

If Biden appeared unable to do the job he'd be pressured by those around him to resign and he would listen. With Trump, anyone says that to him and he will fire them and rape their dog.
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^^Cult member.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is no cult following with Biden, as there is with Trump. People know what they are buying.

If Biden appeared unable to do the job he'd be pressured by those around him to resign and he would listen. With Trump, anyone says that to him and he will fire them and rape their dog.
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You do not know what you are buying. Not even Joe knows what he is selling
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am a member of the Cult of Rationality.

Ergo, I loathe Trump.
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You think you're sane after the stuff you have posted?

Go to your nearest supermarket and read post 40,484 out loud to anyone who will stop and listen to you. Remember the look on their face. You will see that a lot, probably nothing new to you.

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lawgator1 said:
There is no cult following with Biden, as there is with Trump. People know what they are buying.

If Biden appeared unable to do the job he'd be pressured by those around him to resign and he would listen. With Trump, anyone says that to him and he will fire them and rape their dog.
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There is a cult following in the DNC. Blue no matter who. To deny that is disingenuous. Gonna need a link to that dog raping thing.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Who will you be voting for in the upcoming election? Give me a 3rd party candidate running that’s worth voting for as I’d be curious to learn more about them. Louder seems to think similarly to you but likely will sit this one out.
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What do you mean “worth voting for”? If you think that Biden and/or Trump are “worth voting for” then more power to you.

I voted Gary Johnson last time. Trump and Biden simply “aren’t worth voting for” this time around. I’m still undecided.
 
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rjd970 said:
What do you mean “worth voting for”? If you think that Biden and/or Trump are “worth voting for” then more power to you.

I voted Gary Johnson last time. Trump and Biden simply “aren’t worth voting for” this time around. I’m still undecided.
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Well...you posted multiple times that voting for the lesser evil is unacceptable and then trashed the two main parties so I took that to mean you have a 3rd party candidate that is a good candidate so I was hoping to get a name and learn more about them. As it turns out you could end up doing the very thing you chided others for doing.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
There is a cult following in the DNC. Blue no matter who. To deny that is disingenuous. Gonna need a link to that dog raping thing.
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Claiming all Dems are blue no matter who is just as faulty as claiming the same thing about Republicans. There are plenty of Democrats who wouldn't vote for Bernie or others if they were the nominee just like there are Republicans who wouldn't vote for Trump. If you want to say there are some who follow the party or the candidate like a cult on each side, I'll have no disagreement with that.
 
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