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#70,901
mr.checkerboards said:
Im not saying this thing isn't real. I believe it is, I believe there is something there. I also believe the media has hyped to be more than it really is. It sucks for those affected by it, and for those who lost their loved ones, but doing all this over something that only affects a small percentage of the population is an issue. I also agree with the argument that the lockdown will cause more damage than the virus. From the mental health of people, to relapse, and lack of socialization of kids. Loss of jobs and homes, lack of food for some, lack of exercise. Was it really worth it?
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good post
 
#70,903
#70,903
mr.checkerboards said:
Im not saying this thing isn't real. I believe it is, I believe there is something there. I also believe the media has hyped to be more than it really is. It sucks for those affected by it, and for those who lost their loved ones, but doing all this over something that only affects a small percentage of the population is an issue. I also agree with the argument that the lockdown will cause more damage than the virus. From the mental health of people, to relapse, and lack of socialization of kids. Loss of jobs and homes, lack of food for some, lack of exercise. Was it really worth it?
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The thing that I think most people miss with COVID is that the seriousness of it doesn’t lie in the vast numbers of people that do ok with it. The seriousness of COVID lies in the fact that there is really no way to protect those that are vulnerable if we just open things back up completely. Yes, most people would be ok getting COVID and recovering, but the way and ease of its spread (mostly unknowingly to the spreaders) makes it difficult to shield people who could have a life or death situation with it. And I think it’s really callous for anyone to take the stance that these vulnerable groups should be the ones who adhere to masking a social distancing while the rest of us just get on with life - not that you are making that argument, but some are.
 
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#70,906
The Original Fade said:
The thing that I think most people miss with COVID is that the seriousness of it doesn’t lie in the vast numbers of people that do ok with it. The seriousness of COVID lies in the fact that there is really no way to protect those that are vulnerable if we just open things back up completely. Yes, most people would be ok getting COVID and recovering, but the way and ease of its spread (mostly unknowingly to the spreaders) makes it difficult to shield people who could have a life or death situation with it. And I think it’s really callous for anyone to take the stance that these vulnerable groups should be the ones who adhere to masking a social distancing while the rest of us just get on with life - not that you are making that argument, but some are.
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You think it’s callous to ask those who are vulnerable to isolate is wrong? Your preference is to ask everyone too? How do you feel about the millions who have lost their job, will lose their shelter, and will lose the ability to feed their family? Why the hell would we ask everyone to suffer? Shouldn’t those at risk protect themselves. We are literally about to allow millions go homeless.

I apologize you were talking about masks. But I would apply the same thought process. I have no problem with masks. Well I do but separate reason. I have a problem with people thinking we aren’t wrecking things now bc of fear of the virus
 
#70,907
#70,907
The Original Fade said:
The thing that I think most people miss with COVID is that the seriousness of it doesn’t lie in the vast numbers of people that do ok with it. The seriousness of COVID lies in the fact that there is really no way to protect those that are vulnerable if we just open things back up completely. Yes, most people would be ok getting COVID and recovering, but the way and ease of its spread (mostly unknowingly to the spreaders) makes it difficult to shield people who could have a life or death situation with it. And I think it’s really callous for anyone to take the stance that these vulnerable groups should be the ones who adhere to masking a social distancing while the rest of us just get on with life - not that you are making that argument, but some are.
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I will admit I rode that bus for a little while, but I understand that would be pretty tough if not impossible to do( Older folks can be quite the handful when told to sit still and not do something). I think we maybe on our way to finding out how to help the best we can those who are vulnerable, but I agree there is no true way to completely protect those at the highest risk.
However, its a catch 22 with my question from earlier opening back up would be more important to a 18 year olds, mother who committed suicide due to the social isolation that is happening now. But if you ask the family of a 75 year old grandpa who passed from COVID we should've stayed shut down ;because, the vaccine could've given him another 10 years with him. Ask 100 different people and you get 100 different answers.
I think the question that needs answered is which path will cause the least amount of deaths? Was the original 5%( I don't remember exactly) death rate correct, or was it overblown and the 150k plus lets just say another 100k deaths could be linked to the other factors mentioned above. ( I just pulled a number out of the air, I dont think we ever get a true number of that.) We can talk about and debate this as much as we want, but I dont think we will ever have a clear answer to either at this point.
 
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#70,908
volfanhill said:
You think it’s callous to ask those who are vulnerable to isolate is wrong? Your preference is to ask everyone too? How do you feel about the millions who have lost their job, will lose their shelter, and will lose the ability to feed their family? Why the hell would we ask everyone to suffer? Shouldn’t those at risk protect themselves. We are literally about to allow millions go homeless.

I apologize you were talking about masks. But I would apply the same thought process. I have no problem with masks. Well I do but separate reason. I have a problem with people thinking we aren’t wrecking things now bc of fear of the virus
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I used to dislike that debate I understand it now, an isolation of a certain percentage of the population is really practical. One older folks like to get out and do things they are told not too. Second a lot of older folks are still contributing members of society even working part time or doing charity work. Third families would still go over and visit because you never know when this is it.
I still think we should re open because I think the amount of lives affected and destruction caused is worse from the shut down, then just ripping the band aid off and letting the virus run its course, but thats just an opinion we will never know and coulda, shoulda, woulda this thing until the cows come home.
 
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#70,909
The Original Fade said:
The thing that I think most people miss with COVID is that the seriousness of it doesn’t lie in the vast numbers of people that do ok with it. The seriousness of COVID lies in the fact that there is really no way to protect those that are vulnerable if we just open things back up completely. Yes, most people would be ok getting COVID and recovering, but the way and ease of its spread (mostly unknowingly to the spreaders) makes it difficult to shield people who could have a life or death situation with it. And I think it’s really callous for anyone to take the stance that these vulnerable groups should be the ones who adhere to masking a social distancing while the rest of us just get on with life - not that you are making that argument, but some are.
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

Vulnerable groups to many diseases existed before Covid. Was it callous to live our lives then?

If it's callous to not wear a mask, is it callous to leave my house at all, unless absolutely necessary? And if not, why?

My issue with the masks is less with the masks specifically, and more with the fact that there is absolutely zero limiting principle to the argument you are making. The same argument could be applied to indefinite mandated house arrest, and almost certainly would be if the death rate were a few percentage points higher.

The health and well being of every person in the entire country is either my responsibility or it isn't. I tend to believe it isn't. I'll wear a mask when I feel it is appropriate but this is why I'm totally against the mask mandates or the constant shaming and accusations about people not wearing them.

And I think my way works just fine. People have a hard wired sensitivity and fear to pandemics. The worse it gets, the more precautions people will take. This is true cross culturally.
 
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#70,913
CaliVol2009 said:
Flu season hasn’t even started yet. Jesus Christ you guys are clueless.
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Flu v COVID testing isn’t even remotely close. People want to act like COVID is so much worse because it infects more people. Imagine if the same amount of people that have been, are and will be tested for COVID tested form the flu. Wonder what the positive case rate would be? I wonder if people would flip out if they saw that 5-10 million people just in the US tested positive for the flu.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Mistrust advanced by Trump and co ? LOL. He has been attacked nonstop by a power hungry Democratic Party because he upset their darling candidate Hillary in the election. I would trust Trump more than any person or group on the other side of the aisle. You know, the party that wants to make us a socialist state, defund the police and is Ok with anarchy in the streets of every major city. A group who still wants us to completely shut down again for the sole purpose of defeating Trump in 2020. Do you believe they have your best interests in mind? No thanks, I’ll pass.
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You say:

"You, know the party that wants to make us a socialist state". Paying most Americans $1,200 checks and $600/wk NOT to work. Is that not the very definition of Socialism? Did Trump support or oppose these actions?

"anarchy in the streets of every major city". Umm... exaggerate much? Your dystopian worldview ignores reality.
 
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