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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think so. The two things are related.

Your belief in chasing herd immunity has the potential to kill a whole lot of people and you seem to be admitting that it’s not based on anything concrete or verifiable because you don’t believe the known statistics are accurate.
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We know the statistics are not accurate though....i don't necessarily believe this is due to a "conspiracy" as much as several factors:

-different methods in different states counting a variety of stats
-several changes (some monthly) in the way that the stats are counted (March thru today)
-some hospital systems manipulating numbers (especially during their cash cow of non-elective surgeries being down for 2 months) to get more COVID money from Feds
-confusion about testing due to multiple types of tests, multiple companies testing, how urgent care, primary doctors, clinics and hospitals are counting vs the Health Dept and CDC
-the same patients being counted between 5-10 times as "positive COVID", or the same serious COVID patient that's in an ICU for 5 months being added to the "new" tally each day
-confusion about pre-procedure testing which is required in most places before surgery or procedures and how "pending COVID testing patients" both in in-patient AND outpatient are counted as positives.

It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be when referring to "statistics", I know the stats that REALLY matter are DEATHS and COVID Hospitalizations. New cases means nothing, overall hospitalizations mean nothing (especially in trauma seasons).

All of it comes down to how good is your hospital system and state's leadership in accurately and quickly handling the issue.

Tennessee (at least East Tennessee) is probably among the best in the country in the stats that matter
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We know the statistics are not accurate though....i don't necessarily believe this is due to a "conspiracy" as much as several factors:

-different methods in different states counting a variety of stats
-several changes (some monthly) in the way that the stats are counted (March thru today)
-some hospital systems manipulating numbers (especially during their cash cow of non-elective surgeries being down for 2 months) to get more COVID money from Feds
-confusion about testing due to multiple types of tests, multiple companies testing, how urgent care, primary doctors, clinics and hospitals are counting vs the Health Dept and CDC
-the same patients being counted between 5-10 times as "positive COVID", or the same serious COVID patient that's in an ICU for 5 months being added to the "new" tally each day
-confusion about pre-procedure testing which is required in most places before surgery or procedures and how "pending COVID testing patients" both in in-patient AND outpatient are counted as positives.

It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be when referring to "statistics", I know the stats that REALLY matter are DEATHS and COVID Hospitalizations. New cases means nothing, overall hospitalizations mean nothing (especially in trauma seasons).

All of it comes down to how good is your hospital system and state's leadership in accurately and quickly handling the issue.

Tennessee (at least East Tennessee) is probably among the best in the country in the stats that matter
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I agree with that analysis
 
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landscapingvol said:
You don’t know that for a fact. You may read or know of some anecdotal cases which may call into question certain specific cases but that doesn’t invalidate the sum total of those statistics
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I know for a fact that they are counting every single death that they can have a positive test on and some they list as probably covid deaths...... these include hospice, car wrecks, motorcycle wrecks, cancer, and whatever other ailments that truly may cause a death.... The CDC finally came out stated that guidance wasn’t to retest people bc they may test positive for up to 3 months later...... if a person received 5-6 tests..... all tests were counted even though it was the same person...... There is an extremely high amount of positive tests that are asymptomatic and a belief that (even by the cdc)that there are false positives and negatives.....A study in the New England journal of medicine( I’m not a big fan of studies) claims there up to 50% of all tests give a false negative or positive.... I work in a hospital system and to hear the papers around here talk they are over run with covid patients..... I know that to be incorrect as they have about as many patients as they did last year.... the only stress so far is the 20-40 beds they have on hold in case they get more covid patients....A medical health organization came out a few days ago and apologized for a “procedural” error that was causing patients that left before being tested to be told they were positive. It is ok to questions..... I don’t see why it is so hard to get legit numbers and be able to compare total deaths and hospitalizations between this and last year?
 
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landscapingvol said:
As I have stated on this board several times, my brother is the lead shift nurse at a Georgia ER not in Atlanta or Macon and he greatly disagrees with your assertion. I could also tell you that I personally know two guys my age who have had Covid and it took one of them 3 months to get over it. He was on a ventilator for two weeks. Neither one of them had underlying conditions. My father in law is a retired Navy officer and has a friend in California who died two weeks after becoming sick. He was 51. Simply because it hasn’t impacted East/Central Tennessee doesn’t mean it’s fake or a conspiracy. Admitting it’s a real virus and does kill some people doesn’t mean you are a co-conspirator in this grand conspiracy to take down Trump.
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Lol I don’t live in Tennessee, NGV the ICU nurse is my wife , my mom runs a medical supply company in middle TN , half of my family is in health care in the south , half of NGVs family is in health care in the mid west . I no doubt had it after NGV had it I didn’t deny it’s real one time . I said the numbers are off . I can base that on what I hear , and see from family and different reports from health officials in states saying they reported the numbers wrong . We all have anecdotal cases doesn’t make one right and one wrong but there’s enough evidence out to say that the numbers are off and that was what started the whole conversation.. we just want to kk is the facts . I don’t care if they are good , bad or ugly .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t give a rats azz about credentials, you can take those along with estimating, guessing and playing the odds mix them all up in a bag pull out one and the results don’t change . You miss the whole point of NO STANDARDIZED METHODS. there’s only guidelines set out by the CDC and each state is reporting differently . I also don’t care who the “ expert “ was sitting next to without a mask on . I don’t need experts trying to decipher numbers , just the numbers . 2+2 =4 . I don’t need people trying to convince me it’s 5 .
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23% of deaths from a country with less than 4% of the world population says you do.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
23% of deaths from a country with less than 4% of its population says you do.
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Are those all from covid ? Can you prove that 23% or are you relying on your “ experts “ to tell you what they want you to know ? How in the hell can a defense attorney not ask these questions ?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We know the statistics are not accurate though....i don't necessarily believe this is due to a "conspiracy" as much as several factors:

-different methods in different states counting a variety of stats
-several changes (some monthly) in the way that the stats are counted (March thru today)
-some hospital systems manipulating numbers (especially during their cash cow of non-elective surgeries being down for 2 months) to get more COVID money from Feds
-confusion about testing due to multiple types of tests, multiple companies testing, how urgent care, primary doctors, clinics and hospitals are counting vs the Health Dept and CDC
-the same patients being counted between 5-10 times as "positive COVID", or the same serious COVID patient that's in an ICU for 5 months being added to the "new" tally each day
-confusion about pre-procedure testing which is required in most places before surgery or procedures and how "pending COVID testing patients" both in in-patient AND outpatient are counted as positives.

It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be when referring to "statistics", I know the stats that REALLY matter are DEATHS and COVID Hospitalizations. New cases means nothing, overall hospitalizations mean nothing (especially in trauma seasons).

All of it comes down to how good is your hospital system and state's leadership in accurately and quickly handling the issue.

Tennessee (at least East Tennessee) is probably among the best in the country in the stats that matter
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So then they’re not a valid basis for telling people they have nothing to worry about and should just go back to work and hope they get sick so we can get to herd immunity faster.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So, what? We should force everybody to back to work and make them participate in the world economy? I thought this was about individual liberty?
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Where did I say anything about forcing people back to work? Hint: I didn't, you are just "embellishing" for the 1000th time.

I said let the citizenry make informed decisions, you know pretty much the definition of individual liberty. No more mandated shutdowns.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Are those all from covid ? Can you prove that 23% or are you relying on your “ experts “ to tell you what they want you to know ? How in the hell can a defense attorney not ask these questions ?
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They are just carrying the water. If Biden is elected his, LG and EL will all change their tune the very next day.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Are those all from covid ? Can you prove that 23% or are you relying on your “ experts “ to tell you what they want you to know ? How in the hell can a defense attorney not ask these questions ?
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Lol!

So is the rest of the world concealing 3 million deaths from this nothing-burger Virus or Have we fabricated 120,000 deaths?
 
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hog88 said:
Where did I say anything about forcing people back to work? Hint: I didn't, you are just "embellishing" for the 1000th time.

I said let the citizenry make informed decisions, you know pretty much the definition of individual liberty. No more mandated shutdowns.
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How are you going to inform the masses, White house Briefings? It a highly debated topic about using any stats, so are there going to be any?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lol!

So is the rest of the world concealing 3 million deaths from this nothing-burger Virus or Have we fabricated 120,000 deaths?
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Oh ..nice side step counselor. I see you are well versed in the 5 rules of Dodge ball .. Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge .
 
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Stew Cook said:
Interesting. So, Texas found a way to slow the numbers down. I'm curious what changes might have made a difference. I know they didn't do a full-blown shutdown, so there might be something else worth looking into,
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Should be something about Florida soon too.
Honestly I don't think there was any specific changes that cause this. Thr virus is going to do what its going to do eventually it will run its course and Peter off. Lockdowns have only extended the life of the virus. New York is another good example it peaked and now it's slowing down
 
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