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Roustabout said:
You didn’t answer the question. Is there a supply problem?
Is the lack of testing because the LOCAL governments closed testing sites or because there aren’t enough tests?

Plus it was our international alliances that ****ed it up, not trump. But you seem intent on blaming trump for China’s lies and the WHO’s lies and missteps, and then for believing Fauci and the experts who then did an about face on masks. Umkay, puppet.
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I'm not intent on blaming Trump. If you think he's handled this pandemic well as our leader, you haven't been paying attention
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
It's not outside of Trump's authority. He could have appointed a supply chain coordinator in the early stages of this pandemic
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The earliest problems were due to the production difficulties of a novel PCR test. I thought it was very unusual that people thought the POTUS could somehow fix that. It takes time to develop, certify, and mass-produce reliable PCRs.

Honestly, I thought it was incredible how quickly we rolled them out, and it's equally impressive that we can keep up with the INSANE daily demand!
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The earliest problems were due to the production difficulties of a novel PCR test. I thought it was very unusual that people thought the POTUS could somehow fix that. It takes time to develop, certify, and mass-produce reliable PCRs.

Honestly, I thought it was incredible how quickly we rolled them out, and it's equally impressive that we can keep up with the INSANE daily demand!
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Not only that, but we are getting a vaccine at a pretty incredible rate as well
 
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I haven’t seen any analysis that looks at covid rates relative to population density. It would make sense that densely populated areas make it easier for the virus to spread. NJ is the the most densely populated state and it’s #1 in deaths per capita. But relative to their density they fall to #17. At a state level, New York and Michigan by far have the highest rate of deaths relative to population density. New York is a disaster basically any way you slice the data.

Looking at county-level data, by far the worst counties are around the four corners of Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico. Navajo nation appears to be especially vulnerable there.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Considering his ineptness and lack of any real leadership skills, I see your point. Otherwise, you must be joking
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I don't think it really matters to you how he handled it. He could have handled it amazingly and you'd still bitch because it's Trump. That's why it's hard to take some of you seriously. It doesn't matter what he does, you're still going to gripe. Sure, as an individual, he's a gigantic ass hat, but not everything he's done deserves the amount of bitching it's received.
 
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hog88 said:
What should he have done old wise one?
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Not acted like a complete fool when talking about it. Not suggesting it was going away when every expert was telling him the exact opposite. Not telling everyone we could get a test when testing wasn't readily available. Not lying about it daily as he did and continues to do so. How about that? You know good and damn well he isn't any sort of a leader
 
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Weezer said:
I don't think it really matters to you how he handled it. He could have handled it amazingly and you'd still bitch because it's Trump. That's why it's hard to take some of you seriously. It doesn't matter what he does, you're still going to gripe. Sure, as an individual, he's a gigantic ass hat, but not everything he's done deserves the amount of bitching it's received.
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NO, I would have lauded his efforts had he acted like a leader, but he hasn't. Don't broad brush because you think you know
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Not acted like a complete fool when talking about it. Not suggesting it was going away when every expert was telling him the exact opposite. Not telling everyone we could get a test when testing wasn't readily available. Not lying about it daily as he did and continues to do so. How about that? You know good and damn well he isn't any sort of a leader
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At least he didn’t shuffle CV19 infected old people into nursing homes where they could infect others.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Not acted like a complete fool when talking about it. Not suggesting it was going away when every expert was telling him the exact opposite. Not telling everyone we could get a test when testing wasn't readily available. Not lying about it daily as he did and continues to do so. How about that? You know good and damn well he isn't any sort of a leader
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So in short, you got nothing but bitching.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
NO, I would have lauded his efforts had he acted like a leader, but he hasn't. Don't broad brush because you think you know
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I don't have to think I know anything when every post of yours I remember is bitching and moaning about Trump this or Trump that. Your words speak for themselves.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Did we spread H1N1 through nursing homes? Did we stop testing for Covid yet?
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I know we’re not allowed to compare coronavirus to influenza, but I can’t help myself but compare the way the DATA is being collected. Because if we’re being told that the decisions are based on “science,” and that the science is following the data, then it should be fair to expect similar collection for different respiratory illnesses.

Influenza tests during H1N1 maxed out at about 15,000/week nationwide during spring 2009. Then in July of 2009, the CDC said, “Once the numbers of cases increased beyond the point where counting of individual cases was practical, on July 23, 2009, CDC reported the number of 2009 cases for the last time. Reporting of 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths continued. In addition, CDC continued using its traditional surveillance systems to track the progress of the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak. Traditional surveillance systems do not count individual cases, but instead monitor activity levels and virus characteristics through a nationwide surveillance system.”

So, if “traditional systems” didn’t count individual cases in 2009, why are we doing it now?

Also, this is a long quote, but worth noting the difference IN HOW THE DATA IS COLLECTED. Per the CDC regarding H1N1 and seasonal flu:
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Under-Counting of Flu-Related Deaths
CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this:






    • First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC.
    • Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications.
    • Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as a staph infection) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).
    • Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Influenza tests are most likely to detect influenza if performed soon after onset of illness.
    • For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates.”
 
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Weezer said:
I don't have to think I know anything when every post of yours I remember is bitching and moaning about Trump this or Trump that. Your words speak for themselves.
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Yes they do and it's mostly true. I was happy with his first cabinet appointees, but then reality set in on our country and our choice for President
 
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