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CPAvol09 said:
I saw they started a double blind placebo test on one vaccine this past week, great news. Thanks for the work you do.
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There are two big vaccine candidates starting phase III trials. One is the Moderna mRNA vaccine. They recently had phase I safety data published in NEJM and it looked really good for phase I. It produced neutralizing antibodies. I am actually signing up to receive either placebo or the 100 ug dose as part of the phase III study.

The other is Oxford's viral vector vaccine that should have phase I data being released next week. They are performing phase II and phase III trials simultaneously. Both are ramping production of vaccines before completion of phase III to decrease the time, assuming they will get positive results.
 
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drvenner said:
I can't help that. All the people keeping it political and pushing agendas are reprehensible. This should be a unifying time. A time to work together to end this crap. Instead we have our politicians ruining it for everyone, as usual.
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engineerVOL said:
I think we rushed testing kits and they’re just faulty. We all have coronavirus antibodies from everyday life, colds, etc. I think the tests pick that up. That’s just my theory.
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Its more than just a theory. The CDC even confirms that on their website. The tests can ding positive for this very reason.
 
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Only thing i will say is the news today was part of the snafu...Don’t believe everything you read either....fake news is 100% alive and well. I have been privy to a few stories in the past that were totally fabricated and run for political reasons/gain and quite prevalent in smaller markets where certain folks yield powerful swords....same happens when it comes to sports. Crappy all around....
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
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this is literally the first paragraph from what you posted:

“The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection“
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Only thing i will say is the news today was part of the snafu...Don’t believe everything you read either....fake news is 100% alive and well. I have been privy to a few stories in the past that were totally fabricated and run for political reasons/gain and quite prevalent in smaller markets where certain folks yield powerful swords....same happens when it comes to sports. Crappy all around....
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More to come? 😬
 
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mrorange211 said:
this is literally the first paragraph from what you posted:

“The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies
suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection“
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Yeah, looks like they folded to the mob. edit: they did not fold. What you quoted were criticisms. Listed in the article were their responses, that I’m guessing you didn’t read. Let me post:

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We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing. At the time we wrote this article, we were unable to locate any well-performed studies of cloth mask leakage when worn on the face—either inward or outward leakage. As far as we know, these data are still lacking.
The guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for face coverings initially did not have any citations for studies of cloth material efficiency or fit, but some references have been added since the guidelines were first posted. We reviewed these and found that many employ very crude, non-standardized methods (Anfinrud 2020, Davies 2013, Konda 2020, Aydin 2020, Ma 2020) or are not relevant to cloth face coverings because they evaluate respirators or surgical masks (Leung 2020, Johnson 2009, Green 2012).
The CDC failed to reference the National Academies of Sciences Rapid Expert Consultation on the Effectiveness of Fabric Masks for the COVID-19 Pandemic (NAS 2020), which concludes, “The evidence from…laboratory filtration studies suggests that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets. There is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19.” As well, the CDC neglected to mention a well-done study of cloth material filter performance by Rengasamy et al (2014), which we reviewed in our article.“

See the link for the other responses. So make sure you read it next time before you try and rebut. Thanks

Watch the video posted above wherein she says that cloth masks do nothing and are actually harmful to the wearer.

Also read this where the same thing is said in the British medical journal.


There are more. To act like there is conclusive data supporting wearing cloth masks is foolishness. But this wasn’t about mask wearing, we were talking about playing football.
 
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mrorange211 said:
this is literally the first paragraph from what you posted:

“The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection“
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It's just common sense. If you have a virus and you sneeze mightily into the air, how far do droplets travel? If you sneeze mightily into a piece of cloth, how far do they travel now? A small fraction of the area the unencumbered sneeze traveled. For the life of me I cannot see why people don't understand this concept. It's why we sneeze or cough into our hand, or tissue, or elbow pit. It's odd that we understand the basic courtesy of that gesture, but don't understand how a mask helps.

Taiwan had the virus before we did. They immediately went on mandatory masks and closed the borders. They've now had less than 500 cases and only 7 dead, and I don't think they ever shut down their economy. Yes, yes, let's keep doing what we're doing. It's working great.
 
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